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replacing the thinkpad (thelemmy.club)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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for anyone who wants to offer actual advice: its a lenovo thinkpad t450 with a soldered i5-5300U that hits over 90C when running cargo compiles. I have changed the thermal paste and it didn't do much.

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[+] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I've started looking more into getting an ARM laptop. I know a bloke who has an M1 Macbook and it has indescribable battery life without sacrificing performance. Apple is out of the question due to their walled garden, though (I don't want to get sucked into their ecosystem and end up with an iPhone, Apple Watch, and who knows what else), so Snapdragon X series it is for me.

[+] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Apparently, it isn't as good as Apple's ARM processor

Not from what my searching shows, the X1P curbstomps the M1.

AMD processors are almost what you’re looking for - low-power processors, highly performant iGPU, bang for buck

I've used a laptop with a (i think it was) Ryzen 5 5500u and it was the complete opposite of that. Lags on midnight protocol (game), it cost almost 1000euros, aka the same price as the Surface Pro 11 here, and it hit peaks of 101C, averaging at 70.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The M1 came out in 2020

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

[+] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thing is everywhere i look says otherwise, reviees say the SP11 is quiet and doesnt overheat, and is quite performant. Plus, my main use case is going to be development, which i cant find anyone writing about, but I've heard the DX is on par for Windows. Rust doesnt seem to have issues with ARM as you have stated the heaviest I'll be running in games is going to be ULTRAKILL at most, which runs on a T450 smoothly so there is minimal doubt the x86 emulator can't take it. I'm not keen on buying an Apple laptop, but I'll consider it should a guy I know who has an M1 Macbook convince me well enough, and if I'm buying x86 again its either a newer Thinkpad (as in, not with a slow CPU and seemingly a long lifetime with a precious user). I'm increasingly eyeing up the Thinkpad P1 Gen 1/2 ( I know another guy who had one and even in 2024 it would RIP AND TEAR UNTIL ITS DONE ), is it still good?

Also, since I feel I haven't dismissed your "M4 is better" point: There isnt an M4 Macbook yet, and the M3 is beyond my price range, costing over 3k€. The SP11 is 1.25k€ for comparison 1, 2, 3, while an M1 Mac is 1k€.

Finally, a small side note: you haven't really "backed" or provided sources for any of your arguments, whereas I've linked sources for as many statements as I can. If you want, I can also provide screenshots of my friends' testimonies)

EDIT: Weird, you stated the M4 makes the X1 bite the curb, but that doesn't seem to be the case[X1] [M4]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The t450 is peak laptop in terms of build quality and repairability. Keep it around until it's dead for real

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

"peak build quality and repairability" not anymore. repairbility by 2015 standards isnt great, by today standards its average to good. that's a problem because the aging CPU can't be changed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just leaving this here in case you don't know: there are also the Framework laptops, which are designed to be modular, upgradable, and have easy to buy replacement parts.

They even sell motherboards, so you can now get a e.g. Intel Core Ultra motherboard for your 3-4 year old laptop.

Of course It's a bit more expensive than a used 10 year old Thinkpad, but it kind of competes with other high end laptops, and it is cheaper especially when you consider it's designed to last more

(Not a sponsored post, just glad there is a company that makes such products, and that when I broke a part I could just go to their store and order a replacement instead of searching for serial numbers on random online stores etc like I've done before)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They don't ship to where I live ¯_(ツ)_/¯

edit: nvm they do now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So use a shipping forwarder

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

any in greece?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I used Aramex's shop&ship (both times), I found them from Courier Center's website.

The cost was a bit much, but nothing compared to the laptop itself (and also I really didn't want to buy yet another laptop that in a few years would be obsolete and unrepairable).

The laptop's order shipping was €70 and it took ~10 days after it arrived at their location. You can compare the shipping cost to/from various countries, my DIY package was 4.5kg

Edit: just a few days after making this comment, I received an email from Framework that they started shipping to Greece, among other countries!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A few months ago when I had to replace my shitty HP laptop from 2018, I found a secondhand Thjnkpad model from 2013 for 90€ which was better in every way.