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[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

kyivindependent is a disinformation platform

[–] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago
[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago

Sure you can.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

If this is true, the EU better be figuring out how to change that price calculus for them.

Which makes me doubt an open admission actually did happen, since China would understand the possibility for blowback.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 28 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I used to joke that China wants to trade Ukraine for Taiwan, now it is very clear: you shut up about helping/recognizing/arming Taiwan and we keep a leash on russia...until next time...

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Taiwan for Ukraine would actually be a trade worth considering for Europe. The major problem, besides values like freedom and democracy, international law, is the interruption of supply lines from Taiwan caused by a Chinese takeover.

[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Interruption? You mean ceasing, as all semiconductor industry would be levelled by the usa

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly, Taiwan made sure it was worth defending, but I fear that this will lose value over time. Besides you never know what stupid shit is going to come out of tramp's brain the day anything escalates.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Trump like the military because he does like everything powerful and strong. I think he truly is opposed to long and costly wars. So far his actions track that pretty well.

Trump is looking for deals to enrich himself or become more famous and powerful.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

...so was putin (who is smarter than him), it was supposed to be a 2-week SMO in the Donbas. But the problem with these megalomaniac gamblers is that it is easy for them to miscalculate, because they think war is easy, quick, simple and they think that their opponents are no match.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Well in the case of the places Trump wants to invade Canada and Greenland a war would very likely be a short special military operation. The US can easily blockade both land, sea, and air, so they don't get any external supplies. After a short air campaign and ground invasion, the Canadian armed forces would have to retreat north outside the main population zones. They would run out of supplies pretty quickly. An ensuing guerilla war is possible, but unlikely to repel American forces any time soon.

The diplomatic fallout would be pretty bad though.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

they couldn't even bomb one nuclear facility correctly, how exactly is the US military going to do a raid on a bigger country that is literally directly connected to us

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 161 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

"Because that would be totally devastating to our plans for Taiwan."

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 47 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It still baffles me how people manage to justify China's position on Russia. Sure it's "geopolitics" but if you take a look at domestic propaganda in China itself it's certainly much more than that.

Check out videos of what Ukrainians deal with while living in China - its down right disgusting how brainwashed Chinese are equating Zelenskyy to the likes of Hitler in Ukrainian's faces and thsse are just normal people in apolitical contexts like nurses in hospitals. It's absolute insanity.

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 24 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's just Chinese people in general on any subject. Anyone who's actually been to that country would notice pretty quickly that things are NOT OK. The Chinese population has never not known abuse and it shows.

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I lived and worked in China for a year (Shenzhen). There was a palpable sense of brainwashing and/or an overpowering air of unhealthy patriotism there. Which made it stranger for me as I had Chinese friends and coworkers that seemed like decent normal people, we went to bars and drank and joked together. But whenever the topic of China as a country and its policies came up, everyone had a similar change in attitude and unwavering loyalty to the government.

I never felt that I was being targeted specifically, but I also never felt truly comfortable for a number of reasons. I’m glad I got to expand my horizons and experience a bit of what the country/city had to offer, I don’t think I would willingly go to live there again.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

This roughly aligns with my xperience, although if they really get to know you some will be more forthright about their politics. Many look longingly to what we have in the west.

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 58 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

That is a startlingly weak position for China to be in.

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[–] sujeito@kbin.earth 41 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Implying that the US could be too focused on Russia right now to help Taiwan defend against a Chinese invasion sounds like wishful thinking considering how little they are doing to help Ukraine.

[–] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 8 points 16 hours ago

Well, they need to help Israel fight a multi-front war and commit genocide at the same time. That's more than just walking and chewing gum at the same time.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 24 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

As a side note: there is speculation that China may be approaching a change of leader due to Xi experiencing health issues (not a change of leadership in the wider sense - the collegial system of the CCP is considered to be functioning).

Thus, it may be impossible for the Chinese foreign minister to be fully confident of what China's policy will be in the future.

Obviously, China views it as unacceptable for Russia (its ally and soon enough, practically its vassal) to all-out lose. (The easiest way to not lose, of course, is not starting a war, but that train is long gone and behind the hills.)

Prolonging the war does not eliminate this risk well, however - exhaustion could spread in Russian society and morale could collapse despite the state spewing its propaganda, or the economy could collapse. So, simply propping up Russia by letting them buy the goods they shouldn't be getting is not a very elegant solution. Direct interference on behalf of Russia would lead to open hostility with the EU, which is currently ambivalent about China.

What remains is nudging Russia to negotiate. But Putin is hard-headed and only willing to negotiate Ukraine's surrender, on terms which Ukrainians will laugh out of the door.

As for the US being able to focus on China, well I guess they're a bit concerned about it, but given the mental and organizational capability of the current US leadership, I don't think Chinese analysts are particularly worried.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago

I only see news relating to General Zhang Youxia and replacing Xi Jinping with Wang-Yi in Indian news sites, is this related to their recent renewed support for the Dalai Lama out of the blue?

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

Chinese foreign policy regarding Russia is unlikely to change under a new leader. Supporting Russia‘s war by continued trade while publicly calling for a diplomatic solution is a very comfortable position. They weaken the West while making Russia more dependent on them. All of that while getting financial advantages from importing cheap energy from Russia and exporting goods.

The posturing regarding Taiwan could change in tone, but fundamentally China‘s goals and interests are unchanged.

Things are going pretty well for China on many levels.

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