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We need a political party with an exactly two line manifesto
One of the few benefits of Reform if they do get in is they do support PR. Whether that support will dissolve the second they win under FPTP remains to be seen. The Liberals in Canada pulled that particular stunt after decimating the Conservatives there
Countries with PR aren't run any better than countries without it.
The main thing PR does is empower small centrist parties. Intead of two main parties each trying to grab the centre, you end up with two large parties trying to ally themselves with a centre party in order to form a majority.
One of the few benefits of Reform if they do get in is they do support PR. Whether that support will dissolve the second they win under FPTP remains to be seen.
Nope. They definitely will not move to a proportional representation system. Why the hell would they?
Proportional representation benefits them when they are not in power because it's the only way they can get into power, if they somehow manage to find a way into power under first past the post then introducing proportional representation would only dilute their power.
In any scenario in which they have power they are unlikely to introduce proportional representation, and in any scenario where they support proportional representation, they won't have enough power to actually implement it.
Like most things with Reform, it's all bark and no trousers.
Agreed. A single issue party tackling electoral reform. Probably something that Reform, the Lib Dems, the SNP, Greens & Plaid could band together and support. I would have zero faith in Reform actually going through with it though if they did gain a majority.
What this country really needs is proportional representation.
We had a chance at a version of it, but we blew it.
I drank the establishment kool aid at the time and voted no on AV
It's honestly one of my biggest life regrets
Alternative Vote wasn't proportional representation though. It's basically just like having a whole series of head-to-heads under First Past The Post. It didn't actually solve the fundamental problem which is you end up in a situation where most of the people are unhappy with the result.
Proportional representation, constitution and a proper separation of powers.
The chips are going down. If this backfires it'll end Corbyn's political career, if it succeeds it'll replace labour like the SNP did in Scotland.
This is a big gamble and it's crunch time.
Corbyn, being 76, is due retirement anyway. i doubt he has much to lose at this point and everything to gain
What he'll gain is a Tory/Reform coalition getting into power.
Yeah, I know, Badenoch says she won't do that, but there's no reason to believe her if that's her only path to power.
Corbyn's leadership days were over. Looked like he was going to finish out representing his constituents.
I don't think he wants to do this, but he may feel it needs to happen.
He cares less about his needs and more about the people. Politics was brutal for him.
Good luck to the new party. Labour is shit
Sultana was elected as a Labour MP at the 2024 general election but was suspended not long after, and has since sat in the Commons as an independent.
Not sure if this is incompetence or an editorial decision, but this reads like she was only a Labour MP for a few weeks when in fact she was elected in the 2019 election. Kinda lessens the impact of her leaving.
Why didn't he do this ten years ago?
10 years ago he was head of one of the largest political parties in parliament. Throwing that away at that point would have been ludicrous
Because he alienated all the independent MPs in Parliament in a disastrous anti-May Deal meeting, where he could have stopped an extreme Brexit and toppled the Government, but as soon as the independents entered the room he refused to talk to them and stormed out in a huff.
So 10 years ago, no-one would want to work with him. He isn’t a consensus politician.
I liked John MacDonnel a lot but Corbyn's views on international affairs were a real turn off
Which ones? Genuinely interested.
I liked his Palestine stance but his EU stance was underwhelming and showed he didn't really understand protections everyone enjoyed under EU law.
I struggled to understand his Brexit stance - a bit like Mick Lynch. Something about EU membership preventing future nationalisation.
I'm more interested in his other international views... though I should really just look it up.
i have no doubts corbyn will be great but i hope that any party started will have an iron clad no transphobia or bigotry line built straight into the charter :(
I hope so and it is something that most socialists hold core to their values.