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Why YAML sucks? (programming.dev)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by heikkiket@programming.dev to c/programming@programming.dev
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I feel that Yaml sucks. I understand the need for such markup language but I think it sucks. Somehow it's clunky to use. Can you explain why?

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[โ€“] Vivendi@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Can people stop hating on shit?

FOR FUCKS SAKE, negative reinforcement dopamine has RUINED THE FUCKING NET.

EVERYWHERE I GO there's someone bitching about something, hate circlejerks are unbelievably popular, people just love to hate on stuff.

You're ruining your thought patterns with all these social media negativity bullshit.

Fucking TOML users hate on fucking YAML fucking C++ users hate Rust fucking Rust users hate literally everything under the sun and are insufferable to work with

EVERYONE, fucking CHILL

[โ€“] darki@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can you stop hating on haters? Thanks ๐Ÿ˜„

[โ€“] sip@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

stop hating on rust devs

[โ€“] NostraDavid@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

YAML is fine if you use a subset (don't use the advanced features - not like you know those anyway) and use explicit strings (always add " to strings), otherwise things may be cast when you did not intend values to be cast.

Example:

country: NO (Norway) will be cast to country: False, because it'll cast no (regardless from casing) to false, and yes to true.

country: "NO" should not be cast.

[โ€“] NostraDavid@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

People are working on making S-Expressions a standard: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rivest-sexp/

Note: This is just a draft, but improvements have been happening since 2023.

I probably won't like the parentheses, but I think I'll take it over yaml/json/whateverelse.

[โ€“] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

That appears to not support comments. How they made that mistake after JSON is a mystery.

[โ€“] Windex007@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Any language in which whitespace has syntactic value is intrinsically flawed.

Can't speak to your specific issues, but that's why yaml will always suck.

[โ€“] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

YAML sucks because, among other things, indenting it is not obvious.

In contrast, the only mistake of Python when it comes to whitespaces was allowing hard tabs, which makes it too easy to mix them if your editor is not configured.

Improper indentation stands out more than missing or unbalanced braces and it's really not an issue to delimit code blocks.

[โ€“] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a serialization format, agree 100%, but would Python really be better if it switched to braces?

[โ€“] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

To be pedantic, it's level of indentation in Python that has semantic meaning, not whitespace.

[โ€“] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I like TOML: https://toml.io/