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And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it

(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It's available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.

Screenshot:

I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 13 minutes ago

Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

would be cool if it also worked on Windows and Macos

[–] panicnow@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

I use https://macmousefix.com/en/ on my Mac mouse. I’m not sure of its range of features.

[–] linrilang@lemmy.world 46 points 9 hours ago

We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 35 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck electron, fuck "web first" apps, fuck the "all application in the future will be websites" mentality.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Man, they really developed the most unfun layout system and then tried to force it to everyone

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 23 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

That's not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware.

Back in my days, you had to overwrite some .exe with a "0" to disable Nvidia from spying on you. The overwrite, because they would just download it again if you deleted the .exe.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago

I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.

After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.

Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.

Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) "missing" their "register your PC with us" app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.

This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Don't look up how much space Nvidia drivers take then.

[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

Nvidia drivers at least do something that are fairly complex and heavy, and they're necessary. Whereas this thing is just some comically overdeveloped and extremely annoying piece of bloatware from Logitech to remap a bunch of buttons.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 34 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64's GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.

[–] albbi@piefed.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

That driver was using 0.5% of system resources! I thought it would be worse when I saw "259 blocks free", but overall that's pretty good.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

VSCode is also electron with a 100mb download size and 400mb install size. I think it has 1000x more functionality than some shit Logitech UI where you change LED colors. This sounds more like incompetence on the Logitech team than a problem with electron itself.

It's not like traditional methods of packing apps are without problems. If I want to install the qbittorrent flatpak on Ubuntu, it pulls in >1gb of KDE depenencies, so I really don't see how that's better than these dreaded electron apps.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Or you can use qbittorrent-nox which is a server-only package of qbittorrent and just interact with it via its the web interface from your favorite browser.

Mind you, I only know this by chance because I explicitly wanted to run qbittorrent as a service on an always on machine which is not supposed to be used with keyboard and mouse.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The 1gb of KDE dependencies are one time only, but there's also the option of just using OpenGL + bare x11 or Wayland for GUI. If my game engine could pull it off, if IMGUI apps could pull it off, then everyone could pull it off, we just need a UI framework not ddependent on either GTK or qt.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

"One time only"? In theory yes, in practice I don't have anything else that needs those KDE dependencies. When I remove qbittorrent I can safely remove them. This is just a reality check that desktop GUI frameworks and package management are really not much better than Electron/html as lots of comments in this thread seem to suggest.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

But did it support RGB?

Didn't think so, checkmate!

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

A lot of fancy early RGB mouse came with a companion app that needed 10MB at most, and that was ridiculed.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 66 points 14 hours ago

The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 12 hours ago

The driver:

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 20 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

what the fuck?? why would a mouse need ai? ancient computer user here who is very confused lol

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

~~To better know everything you do and train it on AI.~~ i mean, To improve Productivity and convenience.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

To better track you. I mean, "enhancing your user experience."

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[–] MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

holy fucking shit. I once programmed a mouse driver for an 8 bit computer with 32kb of ram. I don't remember the exact size of the compiled driver but it was under 1kb.

Today's tech companies probably couldn't even figure out a way to make a hello world in python without it needing 100gb of storage, an Intel Core9/AMD Ryzen 7000 or better, an internet connection and an online user account.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago

The actual driver for an HID USB device, even on WIndows, is still just a few KB.

Worse, the default driver for HID devices like mice, keyboards, joysticks, gamepads and so on is part of Windows since Windows 7 and all you had to do was give it an INF file that really just associated USB hardware devices that sent the PC a specific identifier (made up of a VID and a PID value) on USB protocol initialization, with that built-in driver - and that file is maybe 100 bytes. Even better, that INF file is not even needed anymore since Windows 10.

A driver for a mouse (pretty much the simplest Human Interface Device there is) that in addition to the normal mouse thing also supports setting the RGB color of some lights is stupidly simple because the needed functionality is already in the protocol.

Remember, modern digital electronics still uses really tiny processors sometimes with less than 32KB flash memory (and way less than that in RAM) only they're microcontrollers rather than microprocessors now, hence the protocols are designed so that they can be handled by processing hardware with little memory (after all, many USB Hosts aren't PCs but instead are things like USB HUDs which have microcontrollers not microprocessors)

I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that almost the entirety of that 1GB is bloatware.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?

[–] towerful@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

All the cool kids are running kubernetes

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 58 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Use the offline installer, which is for offline and airgapped machines. It turns off the AI prompt builder as well as all the telemetry shite:

https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/11570501236119-Logitech-Options-offline-installer

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 42 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

AI prompt builder? What? It's a fucking mouse??????

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It is repulsive to me in its entirety but apparently the vibe coders dig it.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

"Vibe coders" read as "fucking idiots"

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

But it has AI? If your mouse doesn't have AI, you're living in the past

Edit: ~~post~~ past

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

Give me the past or give me death

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[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 15 points 13 hours ago

The driver consumes a few KB. The bullshit software that you don't need to install is what's consuming the GB.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Input Remapper on linux can get the job done without the need for this junk. I've used it for this exact purpose before.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

wtf AI in your mouse driver?

Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!

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[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Baaack in my day we got a driver for our mouse on a single DD floppy...

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It wasn't too long ago that a USB mouse would store the divers on the mouse.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

That was actually never the case. The default USB mouse driver comes with the OS. And also today any modern mouse will work just fine with the default USB mouse driver in the OS.

What this abomination is is a kind of extended driver that allows the user to e.g. remap buttons on the mouse or control RGB lights. You know, anything but the actual basic functionality of the mouse.

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[–] orionsbelt@midwest.social 172 points 22 hours ago (13 children)

maybe this will help, if you wanted to ditch the logi driver:

https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar

Solaar is a Linux manager for many Logitech keyboards, mice, and other devices that connect wirelessly to a Unifying, Bolt, Lightspeed or Nano receiver as well as many Logitech devices that connect via a USB cable or Bluetooth. Solaar is not a device driver and responds only to special messages from devices that are otherwise ignored by the Linux input system.

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