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Why is the progress pride flag so poorly designed (especially the intersex progress pride flag)? Will it be redesigned? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by hddsx@lemmy.ca to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

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I really don't like the design of the progress pride flag, and I couldn't really put my finger on it until I saw this: https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

For reference, here is the flag I'm referencing as "bad flag":

And here is the original:

So, the original has too many colors, but it's the colors of the rainbow. In order. It's recognizable from really far away, and it's dead simple to draw.

With the Intersex flag, that's 14 colors. There are three shades of "purple". The circle won't be visible from far away. The chevrons are too thin to be very recognizable from far away.

It's not like there aren't good pride flags. Like there are AMAZING ones:

Edit:

In case you don't know what these are: https://flagsforgood.com/collections/pride-flags

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[–] RabbitMix@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

I'm pretty picky about flags but I like the progress pride flag well enough. not over the moon about it, but I fly it outside my house during June. If you can make a better one, it's always okay to attempt to do so.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it's basically just "feature creep." Too many ideas trying to be crammed into one symbol. And what's annoying, to me, is that the rainbow by itself was already supposed to represent everyone. That's why it is a rainbow.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s the same phenomenon as “LGBTQI+”

It was literally LGB at one point. I understand the concept of inclusion but I think pursuing it by appending and appending and appending is a lousy way to go. I believe the “Q” was finally added in part because it was hoped to be some kind of catch-all, but that didn’t work.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We could always use the GRSM acronym (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minorities)

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just learned about GSM two days ago here on Lemmy. Now I am learning about GRSM, and while I like both, learning that there is now an additional letter leads me to believe it may go down the same rabbit hole.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Really? I've never heard just GSM.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’ve gone down the rabbit hole and gsm is apparently a common incorrect way to say it. Also a lot of LGBTQ people dislike the term.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Really? Why?

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m just hearing it for the first time in this thread but my first impression isn’t great. Do you really want a label that brands you as a “minority?” That doesn’t seem like a great first step toward equality.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That was the general consensus from what I read about using the term “minority”. As someone who has been labeled a minority their entire life, the term didn’t strike me as odd from a technical standpoint point, but I can see where it would not sit well for many people.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It’s interesting - the psychology of that. Recently I was answering someone who asked why the US doesn’t have more of a working class movement, and a big part of my answer was that no one in the US thinks of themselves as part of the working class. Even if they are unarguably at the base of the economy, their plan is to get out of the working class, not make it better. Similarly, I can see Americans having a problem accepting themselves as a permanent minority. In other parts of the world this is just a fact of life. Christians in Syria know they will never be a majority. When rebels ousted Assad, one of the first things they said was that they will treat minorities well. Those minorities know who they are. Similarly, Kurds are 15% of Iraq and that is just a fact based on hundreds of years of ethnic history in the region. But in the US, everyone is on their way to something better (at least so we think). Parts of Europe had very formal class systems for long periods of history so there are people who just think of themselves as working class and they stand for workers’ rights. Not so in the US. No one here is working class or a monitory. We’re too full of all the rhetoric about being created equal.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I honestly didn’t even think about it from that point of view. That’s a really interesting perspective. I’ve known instances of Americans going overseas and realizing they are suddenly a minority. They do not like it at all.

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Thats way too busy. Should definitely just keep the rainbow flag. Not every little niche needs specific representation, just have the rainbow as a catchall for any kind of deviation from heterosex

Edit to add : if they want to use them to identify and specify within rallies or amongst themselves somehow then whatever, go for it, as long as we can accept the layman isnt gonna have a clue and cant really be expected to.

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I thought the rainbow was supposed to mean it encompassed everyone.

The colours on the flag apparently weren’t sufficiently inclusive so perhaps this should be the next flag:

[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago

this fails to capture the grades of saturation.

Here is every color in the RGB (#000000-#FFFFFF) color space arranged sequentially on a Hilbert curve (but scaled down to 512x512)

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 6 months ago

Imo, the rainbow flag is perfectly inclusive. By focusing on one minority, you make it less diverse and less inclusive.

Rainbow flag is best

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Americans love to subdivide themselves, and that's especially true for activists. The flag reflects that.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 months ago

garbage opinion, you're the kinda person that'd take issue with Black Lives Matter because you assume that implies white lives are inferior.

also, the progress flag is flown worldwide at Pride so you're just spreading misinformation

[–] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

it's a long time meme that pretty much all LGBT flags are awfully designed. but they also got wide acceptance so it's hard to redesign. as a designer I've looked for redesigns and have not seen anything really. even the ones you've shared are brand new to me. where did you find those?