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Existence of group chat including Hegseth, his wife and others prompt calls for defense secretary to step down

A former top Pentagon spokesperson has slammed Pete Hegseth’s leadership of the department of defense, as pressure mounts on the US’s top military official following reports of a second Signal chatroom used to discuss sensitive military operations.

John Ullyot, who resigned last week after initially serving as Pentagon spokesperson, said in a opinion essay published by Politico on Sunday that the Pentagon has been overwhelmed by staff drama and turnover in the initial months of the second Trump administration.

Ullyot called the situation a “full-blown meltdown” that could cost Hegseth, a 44-year-old former Fox News host and National Guard officer, his job as defense secretary.

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 282 points 10 months ago (3 children)

step down

How about we call for his arrest and trial?

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 119 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yes - as a war criminal for ordering the murder of Yemeni citizens

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yep its rather disgusting how lots of people frame these things to just criticize his unprofessionalism and gloss over and ignore the war crimes.

[–] KittyKalledKarma@slrpnk.net 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Considereding the Hague invasion clause is still in place in the U.S.A it's not surprising.

No one has ever been meaningfully punished there for war crimes or mass murder but if you're incompetent/ a leaker the state department is on your ass quick.

I mean ffs the democratic party threw anti genocide protestors under the bus rather then critique Israel over its ongoing genocide. It's honestly just a reflection of what seems to be the average American mentality.

[–] C45513@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

rampant war crimes aren't surprising; the US has been doing that for forever. But there used to be the veneer of competence, so I understand why that's the part that's getting the focus.

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Probably because criticizing the US for war crimes leads to Democrats too

There are reasons the US doesn't give a shit about the ICC

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

The one who gave him that job needs to be held accountable as well.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

No need, these days you just get a bunch of people in black and secret him away in a van.

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 110 points 10 months ago

Pretending like Putin didn’t order an insecure alcoholic wife beating racist to be secdef and the plan is going perfectly for him in America is weird

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 10 months ago
[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 10 months ago (1 children)

who could have guessed that a Fox News pundit would make a shit secretary of defense.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

Pretty much everyone that doesnt have Trumps balls in his mouth called that one.

The same goes for the antivax weirdo with a brain worm and pretty much all the MAGA picks.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 10 months ago
[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Former major makes major blunder by signaling major incompetence on Signal, forcing former major to seek force majeure immunity.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Former major makes major blunder by signaling major incompetence on Signal, forcing former major to seek force majeure immunity.

The general consensus is that the private information shared on Signal is a major problem that should probably lead to corporal punishment.

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

🎖️🏅🥇

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 49 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Susan Collins told me he learned from his first mistake though. I'm starting to think he didn't.

[–] Typhoonigator@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Thirty or forty more mistakes like this, and I might start to think this Susan Collins might not be a good judge of character

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

He learned how to do it better, not how to not do it.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What a weird fucking opinion piece (the linked Politico story, not the OP)

Last week, a month after leaving my public affairs role, I respectfully declined the secretary’s generous offer for a new position and informed him of my decision to leave the department, wishing him all the best. I value his friendship and am grateful for his giving me the opportunity to serve. I salute his leadership in helping the president make America strong again.

Yet even strong backers of the secretary like me must admit: The last month has been a full-blown meltdown at the Pentagon — and it’s becoming a real problem for the administration.

“I love the guy like a brother, but what a complete fuck-up” sandwiched in with so much trump butt-licking it’s beyond gross.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This is how politics works under an authoritarian: senior officials throwing other officials under the bus by appeal to the authoritarian's ego.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah. I remember.

[–] j0ester@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

Whiskey Leaks is at it again.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Others do and HAVE been court martialed for less. Like no hyperbole, you are fucked if you are anyone else.

[–] Dlayknee@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

That's what I can't get over. I mean sure, we know double standards are rife in this administration but OMG how is the entire security community and leadership (looking at you, Congress) not absolutely losing their minds at this? Didn't they send a SWAT team or something after one of the War Thunder forum leakers for posting a simple manual?! This is just insane.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

This just in, the dumbest mother fucker you know might actually be dumber.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 32 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Not gunna lie, I’m feeling a bit better about any potential invasions of sovereign nations

[–] chainysawrs@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Me too, until i realize there might still be an attempt, and it will be extremely stupid in planning.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Blitzkrieg but instead the plans are so stupid you can’t prepare for them…

[–] zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

I mean, that's kinda what blitzkrieg was. Just give your mechanized units a bunch of meth and tell them to just push as far as they can as fast as they can with no coordination. Worked to take France.

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"What do you mean this isn't Greenland, Captain?! If it isn't Greenland, then where are we? I mean, look at how green everything here is, it must be Greenland, right? Falkland Islands? What's that??"

[–] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Greenland Landscaping and Garden Center

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[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago

"Signal group chat leaked that a bombing run of Vancouver is planned. Chat was leaked by Hesgeths mom, who didn't know why she was added and just wanted to ask questions about when would be a good time to buy eggs.

In response, Hesgeth blamed the media for reporting on things and stuff."

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I’m not. These guys clearly made terrible choices.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As Canadians, absolutely.

Plus their behavior in regards to snubbing states during environmental disasters and gutting emergency response/aid relief would do wonders for any displaced angry guerilla Canadians in this hypothetical.*

[–] finder585@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump Jr pushed back on the opinion piece, saying the author is “officially exiled” from Trump’s political movement. “This guy is not America First,” Trump Jr wrote on X. “I’ve been hearing for years that he works his ass off to subvert my father’s agenda. That ends today.”

The fuck?

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 10 months ago

The MAGA movement is a cult. Don Jr, the eldest son of the cult leader, is telling the other cultists this author is excommunicated from the cult. Thus the cultists know to ignore anything relating to this topic and can continue their blind devotion in peace.

[–] dabailli@feddit.uk 16 points 10 months ago

I’m actually a little surprised that the fact he was an atrocious appointment took to as long to be proven!

It’s also crazy to me that we’re still in the “could cost him his job” era

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Trump really hasn't fired anyone yet, has he? Strap in, Pete. It's gonna be a rough week at the office.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, he's fired an IRS director because one of the other members of the legion of doom pointed out that Elon's pick investigated J6ers or something

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Oh that's right, just this week, right? 72 hours?

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There where a couple women in charge of military divisions, head of the coast guard was one I think. I'm sure there have been plenty that he sees as DEI that got tossed without a lot of reporting.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I meant people he installed but yeah, he's been running rampant through "Biden's people"

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure he got rid of some of his first term appointees. Maybe some inspectors general and he may have railed against a judicial appointee or three as a "radical Marxist"?

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

lol, did he really call his SC appointees "radical Marxists"? I just can't keep up anymore

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sad, sad Drinky Pete. He's cursed with too many friends who share names in his phone.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What I don't get about this is the reason. You'd think maybe more insider trading, but why would you need such specific information for that? A simple "attack on Yemen at...“ would be enough. In the first chat at least the people were tangentially concerned with the content, but his wife and lawyer? And ten more associates? For what, bragging rights? He must have known on some level that this is quite sensitive information and should not be shared with just about anyone. The sheer stupidity of all this is incomprehensible to me, it truly boggles the mind.

And one more thing: all of this has had no real consequences for the troops yet, but these kinds of failures will lead to catastrophic outcomes eventually. The Pentagon is now a clown-show and it is dealing with live-and-death decisions constantly. What a crazy time.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What I don’t get about this is the reason.

The man is, as predicted, staggeringly incompetent. He's just that bad at his job.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Mr President, there's been a second Signal chat.

[–] Gowron_Howard@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

This is just another badge on his lack of a resume for the 3rd Trump term unfortunately.

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