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I think it needs to be pointed out that Argentina had a large German population for over a century before WWII. This is a bit of a persistent internet myth.
All of the Americas did. After the conservative clampdown of 1848, German nonconformists of many stripes emigrated to seek a better life in the new world. This included liberals (some of whom ended up bolstering the abolitionist cause in the US and Latin America) as well as unorthodox religious groups (most famous among them Amish, Mennonites and Anabaptists).
Not-so-fun fact: there was a large, creepily culty German religious separatist community in Chile for a long time. When Nazi war criminals looked for their boltholes, some of them ended up there. This did not improve things.
And a lot of Germans who saw the writing on the wall got the fuck out. My great grandparents saw the antisemetism rise suddenly, sold their business and house to a family friend and jumped on a boat for Australia he promised to sell it back to them once things calmed down...
Yeah, I think it is still demographically true that an Argentinian with a German last name is more likely to be a German Jew than a Nazi that came there through the Rat Lines. The reason Nazis went there in the first place is due to the large amount of German immigration previously, and the focus on Argentinian Nazis is part of the US deflection of how much Nazis the US took in for Operation Paperclip, Nazis doing medical experiments under Mengele, and SS members that started working for the CIA.
Fun fact: in Córdoba, there's a German village called Villa General Belgrano. However, before it was called Villa Calamuchita. Why the name change? In 1943 there was an Oktoberfest and locals burned an Argentine flag, they pissed off both province and national governments so much they punished them by renaming the town in honour of the man who created the flag Manuel Belgrano
It's also worth noting that, at the time that first wave of Germans immigrated, Argentina was just as wealthy as the US and had all the same advantages re: natural resources etc. It's downright weird that it's failed to thrive ever since then.
What's the old economist joke? The four kinds of economies are developed countries, developing countries, Japan, and Argentina?
"There are four types of countries in the world—developed, undeveloped, Japan, and Argentina."
— Simon Kuznets, who won the Nobel prize in economics in 1971
Is Japan in there for thriving despite the resources their little islands can provide?
More for their weird economic position of the past 30 years.
us aid + extremely reliable trade partner = profit?
Developed so hard it's hurting their economy, more like.
It’s downright weird that it’s failed to thrive ever since then.
Your link is about stuff that happened starting in 1976, which was many decades after Argentina was already screwed up. It explains nothing.
It's been going on for over a century, and goes beyond Argentina, and even beyond Latin America. It really isn't "weird" that Argentina (and most of Latin America) failed to thrive in the 20th century, when the global north has done so much to prevent it from doing so.
I gave you a starting point. Maybe take a history class or something. I don't know what else to tell you.
Maybe take a history class or something. I don't know what else to tell you.
Quit lashing out with petty personal attacks just because I embarrassed you by pointing out the irrelevancy of your source. That was your own error, not mine.
It wasn't a personal attack. It was actual advice to someone who doesn't seem to understand why Latin America is in the state it's in. Seriously, you should take a class that teaches this stuff. Or pick up a book about it. There's a ton of info out there about the intentional destabilization of Latin America by the global north and their financial interests. Nothing about it is weird once you learn why these resource rich countries aren't as successful as they should be.
Not trying to make you mad. Just trying to explain things.
You're so obsessed with "America bad" that you can't even tell the difference between Argentina and other countries, and yet you see fit to try to lecture me about ignorance? Fuck off.
Sowing chaos in neighboring countries and trade partners will negatively affect Argentina (or any country, really). And again, this is all publicly available information, not some obsession with "America bad". You could learn this in books or in classes or even digging around online, but I get the feeling your anger towards anyone bringing it up is kind of a hindrance there.
Anyway, I hope you have a better day.
You're being really condescending for somebody who's wrong. Do better.
You are reading something into my comments that isn't there. I am trying to help you understand why Latin America is in such bad shape, but you're just being combative for no reason. If you let go of the anger for just a moment and read my comments as if you're talking to a human being, I think we could have a constructive dialog. Would you like to do that?
Bullshit. You're trying to push a narrative that has fuck-all to do with the point I had made, which is that Argentina is uniquely screwed up economically in a way the rest of the continent is not. There's a reason the famous economist quote elsewhere in the thread singled it out instead of talking about South America as a whole, after all!
And again, fuck off with the condescending attitude. The notion that you are "helping me understand" anything is nothing but false hubris on your part. You are not fucking entitled to tell me I don't understand American imperialism just because I was talking about a different issue entirely and thus didn't see fit to mention it!
I have understood perfectly the point you think you've been trying to make since before you even commented. You aren't nearly as clever as you think you are, and all you're accomplishing is making an ass of yourself.
I'm super proud of you.
Wasn't Argentina a very rich country until the 1950s? Didn't Peron fuck the place up?
This article suggests the fucking up started in 1930:
Beginning in the 1930s, the Argentine economy deteriorated notably. The single most important factor in this decline has been political instability since 1930 when a military junta took power, ending seven decades of civilian constitutional government. In macroeconomic terms, Argentina was one of the most stable and conservative countries until the Great Depression, after which it turned into one of the most unstable.
As an American I really don't like the writing on that wall
Can he not see?