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You're right, I didn't make myself clear. I am very much an atheist and against everything organized religion stands for. I have, however, been indoctrinated by religion for half my life so I have some insight into how a part of that giant population thinks.

Recently I've been looking into religion again, and while I won't ever be able to find Sky-Daddy, I do appreciate stuff like Vatican 2 which, while not perfect, as far as the Church goes, is a pretty good change of direction. Shame they don't extend it to things like abortion or gay people wanting to have sex (currently it's okay to be gay only if you don't). Now, I don't "appreciate" it bacause it's great, but because it's way less bad than before, and with a potential listening audience of 1+ billion people, sometimes referring to their "higher power" yields results. I have "oened the eyes" (a little bit, but any scepticism goes a looong way) of a few sect members (JW, Adventists, Latterdays) and, hopefully, "deamericanized" their view of communism. I couldn't have accomplished this through insults. It took more than a few hours of polite debating. It was exausting. But also, very rewarding. It was also unbelievable how may defense mechanisms kicked in.

But, I called upon the Church here because of two simple reasons: even the World's largest opressive society which has done volumes to squander lives and stifle progress has somehow through the absolute fucking miracle of Vatican 2 , while not admitted its past wrongdoings (they're infallible in their own eyes, after all), at least gotten a sane outlook onto this single branch of human rights. Abortion is still a no-go - they're greedy for any indoctrinated kids they can get. But hey, at least they let guys wear a rubber (they almost forbid that as well).

Since OC to me gives vibes of christofaschism, I think pointing onto the World's largest criminal communion which is like a clock that strikes right only once in a blue mlon is worth something when even they have a sane take on the matter.

And to OC reading this, I didn't mean the "christofascist" as an insult (although it might just be one). As Eco said, he was a smart kid. Luckily for him, he was a kid and nor a teenager, so he never had the opportunity to act on what he'd been indoctrinated with. While "OG" fascism was (is?) an inherently Italian thing, it bears resemblence to a lot of very bad regimes.

Education and pointing this out to people who believe the lies is of utmost importance because every single person going about their daily lives and trying to endure the terror quietly (which, in my eyes, is exactly what the deportations and executions in the US qualify as) because they silently condone and enable it.

Not to speak about outright supporters like OP (which can still be rehabilitated), or about those actively participating (these can also), or ringleaders (these might not be, but using their knowledge of efficiently runnung death camps for efficiently running a banana plantation is better than the current medieval ceremony with priests, black hoods and a crucifix "gurney"). Honestly, for all the Christians out there, I have no clue how they can't see the fucking crucifix and think "Isn't this wrong and against everything I stand for?"

Agsin, I don't identify as Christian, but even when I did, I condemned all of the things. I havebeen a steadfast pacifist my entire life. I'm not defending anything. I'm just pointing out that the world's most corrupt institution things "better" than the fascists. On the tiny little topic of people getting murdered as payback.