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I’m not promoting it, nor should anyone. I know people who have taken their own lives, and I myself feel a bit depressed—thoughts about taking my life cross my mind almost daily. But when I look around the world, I wonder how people endure their struggles.

Take Japan, for example. They have long school days, six days a week, and after graduating, you’re competing with hundreds of others for the same office jobs. Sure, most people eventually get hired, but it often starts as an internship, which can be a miserable experience. You’re not there as a full employee with proper treatment; you’re just fighting for the chance to get promoted to a regular salary position.

Japan’s work culture makes it even worse: the government mandates an 8-hour workday, but everyone knows that if you only work the required 8 hours, you’ll never get that promotion. So people push themselves to work 14 hours a day, every day, just to keep up.

It’s not just Japan, either; countries like China are also known for their grueling work culture. However, in China, it’s usually possible to find a liveable job, even if it means working 10 exhausting hours a day with little chance for advancement or quality of life.

In contrast, Western countries have their own pressures. A degree is often required to get decent employment, and to stand out, you likely need a master’s degree or more. On top of that, you need to demonstrate experience, which means more years of unpaid work, internships, or low-paying jobs just for the chance to climb the ladder. After all that, you might still end up in a thankless job that could lay you off at any time.

Meanwhile, the cost of living is absurd—rent often consumes 40% or more of your monthly income, food prices are climbing, and wages aren’t keeping up. AI is advancing rapidly and could take over many jobs soon, leaving even fewer options. As humans, we’re social creatures by nature, but no one has time for building real communities anymore because everything is an endless competition. Between job pressure, media manipulation, and the suffocating expectations set by social media, the weight is unbearable for so many.

And yet, despite all this, the suicide rate—while tragic—is not as high as one might expect for the number of people suffering from depression. This is a good thing, of course, but it does beg the question: why isn’t it higher? With all these pressures and hardships, what keeps so many people going?

i heard everyone company complain about gen z, but can we even blame them?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Natural selection.

If you decide to give up on life, you won't reproduce. Hence, people are naturally selected to have a high tolerance for missery. Humans are evolved to keep struggling and fighting.

If there is something to fight for, such as loved ones, a cause, or a personal goal, then it becomes much easier to keep fighting. Hence, depression is usually not just misery, but also a lack of purpose.

But finding new purpose in life is very doable. Making new connections with people, experiencing new things, and changing the environment you are in are the easiest ways to let externals factors help you here. Hence why people go on trips to "discover themselves".

As for your example; if during your childhood you are always told how important a job is, it is likely you will set the job as a purpose in life. Then spending all that energy towards it, feels like working towards a purpose and will make you proud. If, like me, you think this culture is horrible, and it should be fought against, then there is cause to fight for. Be the change, refuse those hours, and defy the system by carving out a happy life without adherence to that culture. Be proud of every smile you have!

I'm not saying that finding the energy to get out of a depression is easy. I have been there myself. Especially since a depression is more than a lack of purpose by itself. But I know that if you find even a tiny bit of fighting spirit in yourself left, you can feed it bit by bit. Take yoga lessons, take instrument lessons, find a book club, try a new sport, go on a roadtrip, switch jobs, etc. Don't expect to like any of the new experiences and magically be undepressed. Just experience something new. It took me years go to from properly depressed, to finding joy in all the things I do and learn.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

yee, i been a pro athlete, almost highest level of esport, but my athlete carrier came to an end after i got hurt and been hospitol for a long time. meanwhile esport, it took to much time and im to old which manager rather chose someone who is around 16-18 years old, since its so oversaturated, its horribol odds. im diagnosed with languge diffculites, found it after i was 23 years old, my parents never said anything, which probly is one of the reason why i had such a hard time on school other then math and gym. i was maybe a bit far over avrage in basic math, but i just had horribol time to remeber words and setence. i got kicked out of university recently, and i never wanna do school again, my brain just cant fucos when im reading anything advanced, and i just forget it right after.

yee, maybe i will start someone myself, learn some programming and make something that will give value to the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I know this is quite the unpopular opinion and I'm gonna get it but... There's a lot of people keen on keeping others, even strangers, alive for some reason that I don't quite understand. It's always under the assumption that the person choosing suicide isn't thinking clearly, so you rarely see someone being supportive of someone else's decision to end their life even if they have reached a sound decision for themselves.

Like for example, I don't plan on living much. The moment my loved one dies, I won't have much to do around here because I have many reasons. But whenever I bring it up it's a battle to justify my decision which I've already sat on for decades and I know what I want. And the push back goes beyond this, from barring the topic altogether in forums, normalizing the trivialization of other people's motivations, to actively removing/adjusting products on store shelves that can assist with a humane death through legislation.

So my answer to your question is that others make it quite difficult for someone to exercise their own body autonomy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Yep, im jelous of people who take theyre life. Most people i see just go on automode, and my brain is always off automode, maybe adhd.

We werent made for this type of lifestyle, so why join the rat race for example. How sugar basically made us all addicted to city life, and ultra prosessed food is addiciting.

Why is suicide wrong? Hell, even some countrys have active death help, why is suicide wrong then? They kinda is the same concept. Maybe its just better to not think about anything, and continue living in boomer generation?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Because the human mind is adaptable and further, adapts early to what's "normal" around it.

This is why poor countries have children who laugh and enjoy life by floating twigs in puddles while in western countries children scream like stuck pigs if they don't have the latest video game.

You start entertaining thoughts of suicide when things change for the worse, not start at the worst. Or if you start comparing yourself to other people who have it better than you do instead of your own circumstance. (And in the west you get a lot of pressure to compare yourself to other people. All the time. It's called "advertising" and it can be both overt and covert.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Dunno. They were an awesome band and much more influential than people realise.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I think for a not insignificant portion of people it's about the people around them. Maybe I'm committing the logical fallacy of using my personal experience to assume a larger trend, but for me I know I'm only still here because I don't want other people in my family to be upset. It would absolutely crush my mother so as long as she's around I have to be as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Idk dawg, hard to overcome billions of years of everything being about the opposite. I've suffered extreme stretches of not leaving bed all day depression and considered suicide a lot. But it's just a null sum, and my brain is like turning off isn't the answer, It's the end of all questions, so I go on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I dunno about the west, but i'll talk about my country (generally in the middle east)

Most people don't know what a "good" life looks like. Take this for example: you live under a brutal, autocratic monarchy that violently suppresses people that want change, and the working conditions/economy are pretty shit, too. That sounds like a pretty bad life, right? Well here, it's just the average normal day. You know what makes it more ridiculous? That some people like it here, despite all of these problems.

We don't really have anything else to compare our lives to. Everytime i travel to a western country, it practically feels like a different, almost perfect world [in comparison to here, ofc]. So we don't really know we live like shit, and i guess as a result of that we tend to be less depressed? I don't know.

Including this, is culture; suicide/depression is very frowned upon. It's the ultimate treason against life, and is not a sad thing, it's something to be ashamed of. This inclines people, even if they are suicidal, to stay in silence. And mental health is an almost never touched topic (for the developing world in general).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Different people have a different diversity of ways they can express objection to their living conditions. Where I live, there's a saying that goes something like "only the cornered deer will voluntarily jump off a cliff to not be captured by hunters". Some people, the "deer", often find a way to flee, to fight, to cope, to negotiate, to play social chess, etc. though this does not describe everyone. And even then, as it turns out, a large number of suicides are not like they appear on TV or even the educational health videos. Not all heroes wear capes, and not everyone actually ends up going out with a bang. Some end up fading away, dying of voluntary starvation or some kind of final attempt at risk-taking, totally losing themselves, or maybe overseeing SWAT called on themselves and staging a fight, just to use an example. Think of the distinction between "first degree murder", "second degree murder", "manslaughter", "criminal negligence", etc. and how one might apply that hierarchy to themselves. If someone so much as tries to hold off medical attention for a bad habit, you might say there is reason to worry.