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[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I recommend Waterfox

They have pledged to not fill their browser with AI slop features.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Last time I tried Waterfox some sites like Twitch that actively block usage on old browsers, refused to work because the latest Waterfox release was based on a Firefox like 20+ builds behind.

Firefox was on like version 142 and the latest Waterfox download was based on build 128.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Waterfox right now is built on ESR 148, which is on par with the latest Firefox release! ESR releases will lag several versions behind, but that's normal (even on Mozilla's side), and I'd be kind of shocked if it was such a big gap

Edit: there was a big gap. 128 to 140 was the right jump, but Waterfox non-betas took a little less than two months to implement the change after Mozilla released it.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I have used it for twitch for years without issue. I also have ublock origin with twitch adblock.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Well you clearly haven't used the standard available download (non-beta/nightly release) consistently through last year. Waterfox was using ESR 128 since October 2024, kept that base until finally upgrading to ESR 140 last August. So that's nearly a year of its base being out of date. So the user agent reported that number... sites really don't like that since they're looking at that for support.

https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.5.0/ https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.6.0/

Twitch only supports the last TWO versions of Firefox officially and will actively block logging in from older versions. So while you might be able to watch Twitch, if you aren't already logged in, you won't be able to login.

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US

There are thousands of posts about it online for Waterfox other forks.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

It was outdated, but only for a couple months. Firefox ESR is built to last about a year, and it was maintained with security patches up-to-date alongside Firefox Production versions 129, 130, 131, 132... all the way to 139. Only then did ESR 140 come out.

But if Twitch only supports the two most recent Firefox production versions, I guess ESR wouldn't cut it after FF 131 came out.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I have used the standard available download on multiple operating systems for years without issues with twitch.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 16 hours ago

Quintessential "works for me" response. Must be a software developer.

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 2 points 19 hours ago

If everyone switched from firefox to waterfox, Mozilla would kill firefox which would in turn will waterfox