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How is OP not banned? 18k posts which exclusively seem to be news, 5 comments, it's literally a propaganda bot, what the fuck!
OP actually has hundreds (thousands?) of comments over the past few years, but all but the most recent are listed as deleted by creator. I won't speculate as to the reason for this, but just note that their current comment count doesn't reflect their historical contributions.
I'll also just leave this quote from one of the comment chains they've recently commented on:
I don’t personally keep track, but it seems some others do feel they make valuable contributions. I for one don't want to see anyone too quick to torch the relative few individuals putting content on Lemmy.
Thanks for this comment. News about Iran seems to bring out extreme personalities lately it seems like.
I can't fathom how, after the disgrace that western media has proven to be during the "Israeli" genocide of Palestinians, posting unending links to western mass-media can be considered a positive and not a tool of brainwashing.
Propaganda bot for posting The Guardian? You're ok?
18k news posts, most of them from genocide-complicit western Zionist media
OK then be this way
Huh?
You're not wrong about the Guardian but also like... the Iranian government is fucked. Yes, this is probably propaganda to manufacture consent, but that doesn't mean it's not also a real story of real students fighting a real struggle. It's a tough line to walk.
Not a tough line to walk, really. I see no constant stream of news on Lemmy about Qatar being an apartheid state with 80% of migrants without rights, or Saudi Arabia's similar policy. No constant stream of posts about mass incarceration of black people in the US, of Nazis roaming the streets of Madrid and Paris...
Deciding what news to publish is itself extremely political, and focusing on atrocity propaganda in Iran, a heavily sanctioned country against which there's an ongoing US military buildup on the verge of invasion, is willing and a form of atrocity propaganda. It's designed specifically to make progressive people less critical of the upcoming strikes, and judging by the number of upvotes these posts get, it's working.
5 years ago there wasn't this constant stream of anti-Iranian propaganda, it was Venezuela, and we've seen the results. Learning to distinguish the workings of propaganda is critical to any progressive, and it allows us both to be more resistant to propaganda and to use it better (for example by relentlessly posting about Palestine or the ICE, we can similarly engage in what I consider good atrocity propaganda).
"It's not a tough line to walk, I just think that students facing oppression, violence, and mass killings by a theocratic government should shut up and be quiet in case their struggle might be perverted to further imperial interests."
I don't know, from where I'm sitting, you seem to be struggling a bit to walk that line as easily as you proclaim.
I never said this. All my power to the students combatting the repression in Iran. My issue is absolutely not with the protestors, my issue is the framing of this in western media as justification for military invasion of Iran.
And on that, I agree with you 100%, but this specific article doesn't do that. It's implicit, I agree with you, but how do you suggest combating that? I think the solution has to be using every news article post as a platform to denounce that military intervention and promote critical thought, rather than decrying the mere existence of those posts and suggesting that people will be too stupid to discern the truth if they're faced with propaganda. (Which is, of course, accurate lmao, but it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. If people are never taught how to think critically and presented with opportunities to do so, they will remain stupid forever.)
Also in my opinion, Americans oppose military action in Iran for financial reasons, which always takes precedence over moral concerns. So, in this case, both fortunately and unfortunately, Americans will not be motivated to support military action because of another government's brutality against student protestors imo. It's a tired old talking point out of the War-on-Terror and Hasbara playbooks, but even older people barely buy that shit anymore - and even if they do, they're probably more concerned with why every trip to the grocery store is $250.
I mean, a large portion of Lemmy is Russians.
I find it the funniest when actual Russians like Davel@lemmy.ml, pretend to be Americans and go "why would Russian propaganda even care about something as small as lemmy?" Oh hmm let me think, an open unregulated and uncontrolled platform for spreading whatever, whenever and how much ever, why would that interest anyone pushing an agenda hmmm...
It's crazy how many people defend these propaganda bots
A larger portion are Americans, unfortunately.
A non-insignificant portion are Russians pretending to be Americans.
You're making that up
Look at profiles like Davel@lemmy.ml
Literally pretending to be a red-blooded American while doing comments like "reality has a well known Russian propaganda-bias", and having several comments on his profiles in fluent Russian.
If you were a Russian online in today's atmosphere, would you admit to it, or pretend to be from another country?
No matter how much I'd like to make up shit against Russia, there's no need. Unlike Russians, we Finns don't feel the need to lie for our despotic leader. Mainly because we don't have one. Haven't had one since 1809 pretty much. Well, arguably a bit from 1809 to 1917, but I wouldn't make that argument.
So yeah. Feel like reasoning your feelings out at all? Could help others figure out what you're thinking.
Cool, you have one example. I've had Polish and American users engage in multi-account downvote against me during discussions, and I don't go around making claims of "this website is full of American and Polish bots". You're literally high into the EU propaganda of Russian propaganda prevalence, when in reality EU+US have a lot more power and are extremely more prevalent. We've literally seen the entire media apparatus in Europe align with Isntreal's genocide and you still believe that the propaganda problem in Europe is coming from Russia?
Ask yourself why European countries are so quick to ban Russian media and even enjail pro-Russian politicians (looking at your southern neighbors on the other side of the Gulf) but are seemingly incapable to do anything remotely similar against autoctonous European far-right leaders. Your own freaking country is destroying itself with turbo neoliberalism and recently overtook my homeland in unemployment rates!! The problem is INSIDE!
Yes, I don't see why I would need to hide my identity. I'm a Spaniard and I don't hide it. If Americans are comfortable online during times of US-sponsored genocide in Gaza and full-scale illegal bombing of Iran, I don't see why Russians wouldn't be comfortable beyond Russophobic users such as yourself.
Please remind me, what historical event happened in 1917 that led to Finland's independence? Surely you must admire Lenin for promoting the FIRST CONSTITUTION IN THE WORLD that allowed the unilateral right of secession and self-determination that your homeland used? Also, what was Finland doing between 1941 and 1945?
Oh, getting a bit mad, huh? Where were you born and raised?
A whole essay shifting your goalposts. You said I'm making up Russians pretending to be Americans. I give you a every clear example, and you just kick off a tantrum about how "European propaganda" this and that. Clearly setting sort of teams here. And implying I'm on one (European) and by implication that you're on another.
I'm really not up to writing an essay where I answer all your whataboutism and shitty implications.
If you're pretending like "European propaganda" exists, that there's some hegemonic culture which unites all the countries and thus all their intelligence apparatuses as well and they share coordinated disinformation campaigns equal to those of Russia? Get fucked, you know how ridiculous of a notion that is. Europe isn't a hegemony, unlike Russia, which is absolutely infamous for its disinformation campaigns, all over the world. Objectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation
Told you, Spaniard. Believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with European supremacy is a Russian actor.
I said you're making up the scale of it, which you are.
Lmao, that's unbelievable, you're literally the joke of the CIA agent telling the KGB agent that there's no propaganda in the US
Are you capable of conceiving that a collaborative project edited foremost by tech-literate Anglos using Anglo sources will portray the bias of Anglo propaganda? Would you trust a Russian or Chinese collaborative encyclopedia on articles about western disinformation using Russian and Chinese sources?
You're literally entirely oblivious of the extent of western propaganda. Clue: you're witnessing the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza LIVE and the invasion of Iran, and you're still portraying immensely more anti-Russian bias than anti-American.
Small test on European propaganda: ask yourself how much you know about Stalin and the gulags, and how much you know about France's colonial violence in Algeria in 1960s.
I said you're making up the scale of it, which you are.
The scale of "non-insignificant"? Yes, obviously it's me who's overreacting here. Lol.
No, not everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian, but most who virulently talk of "the West" and "European propaganda", especially bringing it out when Russia is criticised turn out to be. It's kinda funny, because said Ruskis never understand how see-through they are. Just like Davel. And even if I'm 100% confident he is Russian, and even had the evidence to prove it, he would never admit to it, because, why would he?
The point here is that Europe isn't a hegemony. There is no "European propaganda" in the same sense there is organised Russian disinformation. To argue against that is just idiocy, and shows how little you understand what it's like to live in Europe. And not all of Europe is EU either, even if EU had some sort of hegemony — which it doesn't.
Oh like Russians who just stomp their foot and insist Lemmy doesn't have Russians, okay it has Russians but not Russians pretending to be from other countries, okay Russians pretending to be from other countries but not on this absolutely gargantuan scale which you said, okay you didn't say a gargantuan scale, you just said "non-insignificant", but still, I'm right and you're wrong.
Remember when I asked you if you were a Ruski, if you'd admit to it, or pretend to be from another country? Yeah... ;>
Roflmao
I probably didn't answer all your garbage but I'm off to have a burger now, I'll read more about you crying and defending Russian disinfo later, because you won't be able to give this up, because I've called you out on your BS and that just annoys you so when people don't just do what they regularly do with people like you, which is to ignore them.
Like it's so hilarious that you're implying that basically only if Russia themselves admit to actively doing disinfo, then it's gonna be trustworthy, but anyone else saying anything about it is bs? :D
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/schwerpunkte/EN/disinformation/examples-of-russian-disinformation-and-the-facts.html
Bund.de is probably just european propaganda and all made up but Russia doesn't do disinfo right? Ruahahaha
I have a hard time understanding how most of Ruskis are so simple and yet still have the most chess GM's and such good spycraft at higher levels.
"Propaganda doesn't exist in my country"
-Dumbest person on Earth
Keep believing that everything is Russian propaganda while your own country guts your welfare, your rights, destroys its economy and supports genocide in Palestine lmfao. Por quinta y última vez, soy español cojones. This is my alt from hexbear @vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net feel free to check out my latest post discussing the Spanish civil war with Spanish sources, freaking paranoid Finn
Keep the workers distracted from questioning why they have no rights. Couldn't be the rich in america, it's clearly Russia's fault that the hillbilly state senators in texas hate minorities. Couldn't be home grown capitalism, it's Russian!
Ofc it fucking does. But "Europe" isn't a country, is it, dipshit? Europe isn't a hegemony. You need a hegemony for proper propaganda. How is this so hard for you to understand? Are you honestly so willfully ignorant you don't know what "hegemony" means that you won't spend 10 seconds checking the meaning? :D
What does discussing the Spanish civil war have to do with Russians being ashamed of being loser Ruskis? Either you're a super shamed Ruski, or even worse, a European who's bought into their propaganda. (I genuinely think the latter is worse tbh.)
It's a great burger btw.
Russian disinfo is objectively massive. Yet you're literally defending it like a conditioned dog.