Those are good tips thanks I have tried to find hives and they were like $200 each and hard to find not nearby, maybe I will try those clubs. I do have Bears here, I actually got 10 chickens last spring about this time and by Midsummer they were all dead from a bear that smashed my silly defenses.

I did find a hive once and harvested it, took about 2/3 of the honey then closed it back up so the bees would be all right and it was in early summer so they would have been fine recovering. Only got stung once with no gear and that was my fault it got stuck in the honey and I physically touched it on the Stinger. But if there are Africanized all bets are off. I do not think they are Africanized this far north at the 45th parallel though I recall something about that being a sothern problem.

Mostly all forest, but there is large field areas although not all that many flowers a few, should be able to support some bees, I don't know about the bear.

Anyway I wanted to hook up with some of the farmers in the area for some other schemes I had, and although I am in the forest and Park area the next County over has a lot of agriculture just 15 miles off maybe, I bet you I could find some beekeepers there if I had an in with them. I managed to harvest probably hundreds of pounds of apples off of trees on the side of the road that have been rotting on the trees every year I have seen them.

Wanted to find somebody with some cows and or pigs that are raised in the old fashion of letting them wander around the farm and not in concentration camps, and buy an entire animal, Butcher it, and then sell it in the city, like I have heard of people doing how shares. If you bought an entire cow worth of beef at the grocery store it would cost like as much money as a car. It is a great deal to buy a quarter or an eighth of a cow even with the person making the deal doubling the price from purchase after butchering and delivering.

It is harm reduction from factory farms too. Will not qualify for sainthood but still if we can cut out factory farms that would be a huge plus. Anyway thanks again for the tips.