I play Shattered Pixel on my phone, and sometimes circumstances cause a mistap or similar, and with the way this game works a single bad action can mean a drastic hinderance on the run or effectively ruin large amounts of effort.
This is true for many games, and in most circumstances I can roll back to the last save and lessen the loss. While in plenty of others I can edit the save files with a shizuku-powered file manager. I had hoped that the non-google android version on github would expose the save files to shizuku, but sadly learned that was not the case. Of course, there are others where neither are an option and I just have to live with it, but I just tend to not play those games for long or that much. However, I've been playing Shattered Pixel for years. It's easily the one mobile game I have spent the most time playing. But it can really kill my desire to play for long periods of time when something happens to kill a run I was really enjoying and spent a good amount of time on and there is no way to "undo" any amount of the loss.
For me, it would be an absolute game-changer if there was some way to allow manual save/loading or access to the save files. If it means by an opt-out of online leaderboards or whatever I'm okay with that. (I'm not sure what there is for SPD, I really don't know because I only care about offline regular play.) You can mark my game a "filthy gross evil stinky dirty cheater" or something, I don't care. Personally, I don't consider it "cheating" to recoup from a mishap outside of their control in an offline singler-player game.
Is the threat of some sort of bad-actor that high that save/reload or save file access can't be considered? What exactly would be on the line by allowing "cheating"?
I have to imagine there would be a sizable enough group of people interested in manual save/load or save file access considering there are save editor tools out there, like spud. It would also allow easier transfer of game progression like this request mentions.
Is manual save/reload something that would interest others that you know of? At least, enough to get 00-Evan to consider some sort of option? Can we work out some sort of option that 00-Evan would consider?
I think you're misunderstanding me a bit, what I meant was that you have already gotten a legitimate win AND you just want mistap insurance. I don't ever plan to put cheats into the game because there's no way to verify the player is only using them for things like recovering from a crash or mistap. I'd rather not let players cheat generally as I suspect it will damage the experience of playing the game normally.
Well, this was not a case of misunderstanding. I was just trying to figure out some sort of compromise without getting into what seems to be the main block, that is... why does it matter so much to prevent cheating that you would rather limit people's options of enjoying the game even more?
I was trying to avoid it because I am certain I'm not going to convince you to change your thinking on it. It is your game after all and if you just don't like cheating that much, then it's certainly your prerogative to make the game how you like.
I just personally don't understand. To me it seems like it shouldn't matter that much because it is a personal decision to be okay with cheating in a single-player game, since it doesn't affect others. As long as the barrier is high enough to ensure that the person is sure they are willing to take the risk of damaging their experience. At that point they only have themselves to blame if it damages their own experience. Additionally, what level/amount of "damage" would this really be? Can this damage really be so bad that it needs to be prevented at the cost of other's diminished experience? I am confident that the benefits of enhancing other people's enjoyment of the game would greatly outweigh the much lower chance of a much lower number of people who's experience might be lessened.
On top of all of that, people who play on their computer can already very easily edit their save file. While that option being available on mobile as well would be enjoyable to me, I think the ideal option would be to add a save/reload which is unlocked once you complete a win or a certain number of wins. Save/reload is a standard among many games, even roguelikes, and creates enough of a barrier to prevent it from being too easily used as a way to bypass the core difficulty that gives the game its character.
Frankly I don't think there's anything wrong with a game appealing to a specific audience and deciding not to let its experience be substantially changed in the name of inclusivity. There are SO many games out there and I think it's fine for a game to not try to appeal to as many people as possible.
I'm not going to take this to the extreme of actively trying to fight save file editing on more open systems though (windows, rooted android, etc.) There's no real way for me to do that without a system that would be overly awkward for regular users. The game already compresses save files, which makes them not editable as plaintext, and that's good enough.
IMO if a game offers save/load (even optionally) it isn't a roguelike. Permadeath is a core part of the genre. It's like calling a game such as Call of Duty a 'first person adventure with added guns'. There's nothing wrong with a game offering choices if that's what it wants to do, but it changes what that game is, you can't have your cake and eat it too.