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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is a garbage gotcha because you assume that I support the US policy of intervention.

I can both acknowledge that the current regime in Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and that the US has no buisness intervening.

I am equally capable of disliking the regime in Iran and the US.

If the regime falls this is great. If the US intervenes and forcibly topples the regime this is bad. As we've seen historically that leads to failure.

Maybe don't support a regime that allows for raped women to be murdered?

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

It is probably chatbots making these dumbass ad hominem arguments.

Yes same with Venezuela, regime bad, therefore war good, opposing war bad. As they are advocating for the worst people in the world to use military force.

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 month ago

but be real, do you see any other alternative?

  1. Regime continues, becomes even more brutal to suppress dissent
  2. US interferes and starts a brutal civil war

Be real, there is no revolutionary movement to occupy the power gap, wishful thinking can only get you so far

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s all good and well but the fact of the matter is that the U.S. and western allies are intervening, and we have intervened continuously since we overthrew their secular democratic government in 1953. Since the Islamic Revolution overthrew our puppet regime in 1979, we have crippled their economy with sanctions, assassinated leaders and civilian scientists, and bombed their country. Even if you believe these revolts are 100% organic, manifesting spontaneously with no assistance or encouragement from Mossad, CIA, etc (doubtful), the context is that the people have already been victimized and pushed to the brink by western powers as much as their own government. That is context that simply cannot be ignored, particularly since this looks a lot like 1953.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Even if you believe these revolts are 100% organic, manifesting spontaneously with no assistance or encouragement from Mossad, CIA, etc

So do you any proof of that or are you just really really sure that's true?

the context is that the people have already been victimized and pushed to the brink by western powers as much as their own government

And? Does this mean there's no possible way that these people are capable of not wanting to live under a theocratic dictatorship? Are you trying to imply they can't make that decision on their own? If so that's infantalizing and patronizing an entire group of people.

Or are you suggesting that the whole reason that this oppressive regime is in charge is because of the US? Because that is entirely true. You'll get no disagreement from me.

Also why are you wasting your time monologing on all the terrible things the west have done to the middle east and Iran? You'll get no disagreement from me. These were all bad actions. I don't see how that justifys a theocratic dictatorship that brutalizes its own population.

You can be anti-western intervention and anti-dictatorship. Actually based on your own source you so kindly provided these are one in the same. As your source said 73% of dictatorships are propped up by the US.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nono, the Iranian people must please stay quiet and just accept their theocratic overlords, you see. They really don't like the US, so we must kiss their ass.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

There's also a big push by these people from any retaliation in the US saying it's "exactly what he wants".

Stay quite and let dictators do what they like. That's the go to for dictatorship to continue.

[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here's a source, they explains it well, and better than I could https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T5adNE0bMU