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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Literally done for financial reasons and fueled by old fashioned Western anger and antisocial tendencies, the same reasons behind ICE today, the Gestapo yesterday, the nukes, the Opium wars, the subjugation of India, etc etc. There's no way you or anyone can tell me God wants you to randomly go to some peaceful civilization thousands of kilometres away (Richard the Lionheart went from the British isles to the Middle East for plunder!) and murder and pillage your way for "religious reasons", unless you worship Khorne, lol. If you believe God is cruel and wants you to be bloodthirsty, why would you worship Him? Wouldn't that cruelty come around and bite you in the ass? No, man, these people believe in nothing, they invaded the Middle East and murdered and pillaged to their hearts content, and then said "God wills it!" just like Trump and his dogs do today, like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Because they don't believe in anything like that, they have their Western civilization values and we all know what those are.

[–] piwakawakas@lemmy.nz 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think you need to actually read your bible. Take some time for introspection. Maybe check out some scholarship about it.

You'll realise that the god you worship is exactly the immoral bloodthirsty monster you decry

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not "my" Bible, I'm not a Roman Catholic/part of one of its offshoots. But even the Bible has its own authors, who more often than not name themselves at the beginning of their books, and as such it can be disagreed with. There's much nonsense in the Bible, even before the Romans added their Paulian stuff and switched it all up, but I have my own understanding and belief like everyone who takes things seriously does so how does it affect me? I do have a set of axioms, and I do believe they're God's message passed along to prophet Muhammad and through it to the rest of the world, and that's the Qur'an.

The Western mind does not understand standing for something even in the absence of absolute evidence for its backing, just because it's right, and the is-ought problem means that you will never derive morality from reality so this set of statements will never come from understanding the world better, it's all about whether you stand for something or not ("thou shalt not kill", "give the other cheek", etc.). Besides "might makes right; nothing is true or false, there are only perspectives" the atheist/pagan/polytheist West doesn't believe in anything, either in abundance (although that keeps them entertained and content and it does help to curb the worst examples of that "ideology" or when push comes to shove, and that's been a problem for the world forever.

Anyway, my old man rant went a bit long, thanks for your time. 🙏

[–] piwakawakas@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago

The Qur'an has the same fundamental problems that the bible has. That it's based on Hebrew scripture and history.

The Abrahamic god is the very premise of do what I say, not what I do and might makes right. It is god who decides what is right.

Do not commit murder, unless I say so. Do not steal, unless I say so.

It's easy to say the west doesn't believe in anything. But society long predates any god.

There is a social contract that most who live in that society prescribe to and agree to follow to a greater or lesser extent. That's what binds us as humans. Together we are greater than the sum of our parts. This is how we've thrived across our history and how we stand where we do today.

No god(s) needed.