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I never want to hear the word "democracy" spoken by an American again until they've cleaned up their shitshow of a so-called country.
Sane Americans need your country to boycott America and American tech until democracy is restored
Look, you’re going to need to up your consumption of Greggs sausage rolls and Warhammer figurines, and then we’ll review your case.
We're working on it.
I still value democracy, while recognizing that the US is a shitshow right now. The americans who support democracy are not in favor of what's going on right now.
Throwing out democracy because it's being destroyed by a fascist in america is akin to throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Democracy is the baby. It's fragile and helpless on it's own, and requires attention and active participation from adults in order to be nurtured and grow. Fascism is the pile of dog shit the baby got into when the adults left the room. The baby just needs a bath.
Uh, agreed. I don't believe I made the argument that we should do away with democracy. I certainly didn't mean to.
I just had someone make one of those arguments. Because the west has liberal democracies, and they do a bunch of bullshit with israel, therefore liberal democracies are the problem, and seeing them fall to fascists, the same fascists doing the most of those things justifying their criticisms, is a good thing to them.
It fails reason but what argument doesn't nowadays, just stupid tankie shit, they just want to make cheap points not help anyone.
Tankies are so exhausting to deal with. In my view, they're as bad as maga. The two really seem to feed off each other.
The entire spirit of bickering about everything on the internet as if making some point or dunking on someone actually has some meaningful social value is exhausting regardless of the particular viewpoint being espoused. Like, yeah, if it's dirt stupid and inherently destructive it's worse, but I see the same sort of behavior from all sorts of different perspectives and none of it is good.
It's almost impossible to have a good faith, rational debate on the internet. Logical validity and soundness go out the window the moment someone has to examine their biases and check whether their assumptions have been accurate.
Yeah, but I'm not sure "debate" in the sense the internet uses it has any relevance anyway. Debates in the formal sense are basically an academic sport, but what people on the internet do is basically just aggressively dribbling at people who have no interest in playing basketball.
Like, generally people on the internet just start trying to debate bystanders making casual comments or sharing their opinions who aren't in it to prove anything. It's kind of weird. Debating shouldn't be assumed to be the default form of conversation, or even the default form of disagreement.
One doesn't have to be a professional to play a sport. One shouldn't have to be a professional to participate in a rational debate either.
Dribbling and dunking on an unwilling participant in the grocery store who's just trying to do some shopping would be a douchebag move. But if you go to a basketball court and start engaging with the people dribbling, then they're not being a douche when they dunk on you.
Internet forums are a public space where theoretically people can discuss whatever they want. If someone doesn't want to participate in a discussion then they don't have to, but they shouldn't get upset when they see someone lay out a well-crafted treatise on the nature of toe beans. If they don't want to debate, they don't have to engage. That's the freedom of the internet.
I think the problem are the trolls who don't engage in good faith or rationally, and simply make disingenuous strawman arguments so they can insult people about scenarios that they've made up and projected onto the other person. That's not what I mean when I say rational debate.
I think you'll be waiting for quite some time for that. Maybe a century or so.
Yeah. They should probably get started on that.
I know this is an unpopular opinion and I expect downvotes, but no one is faring that much better. Especially the UK.
Brexit was such a success, right? Johnson was the right choice, and you totally didn’t have a huge fucking racist rally in September (100,000 people?!)? Those people were all from the U.S.?
This isn’t just a U.S. problem but it’s nice that the narrative makes you feel better!
Any self awareness at all in Europe nowadays? No. Feels too good to act superior.
Yeah, no, a bunch of right-wing fucks performing an ultimately democratic process is the same thing as hordes of masked, armed paramilitaries invading private homes to abduct and kill innocent people with the ruling class nodding in agreement. /s
There it is, there’s another cliche! Keep em coming.
Ooh another dope from Europe who can’t understand how fucked they are too, no way!
Don’t stop now! Can’t you say anything else that terminates thought?
Ah, you edited. I do understand that we have huge problems too. That do NOT include marauding state-sanctioned hordes and a leader that doesn't seem to understand he's not a king. Just because other people have problems doesn't mean that yours cannot be way worse and ALSO affecting everyone else because of global relations.
Which part is the cliche?
I'm Danish. You can make up your own mind as to how that might influence my perspective right now.
I don’t care at all. You’ve made your thought-terminating point in a UK community.
...You're completely unaware of the profound irony of the statement you just made, aren't you?
Here I’ll copy what I said before because you’re too stupid to read.
And you literally proved it in two comments. Genuinely, the arrogance is astounding. What a waste of text!
Keep patting yourself on the back, though. You’re so smart. I wish I had your delusional self confidence.
Dude, you're being a dick. America already has a bad enough name as it is, stop making it worse.
The labor government is a shit show, and they've done more damage than the tories did already. Outlawing protest, disallowing defenses against those charges, (often like decades in prison for disfavored protests, environmental and israel and climate now but everything else soon enough,) politicians proscribing protest groups as terrorists themselves, associating any protest of that same issue as support of the proscribed group. The masterbaitorbase and age checks.
The last the most pernicious perhaps. In effect it is them surrendering their populations to tech for a cut of the feed, identifying everyone to their accounts and everything they do, and allowing palantir companies to make social scores on their half baked formulas to be secretly used against everyones.
I am forgetting some stuff too. But the UK is perhaps more fucked than the US, it's in our face, they somehow think they are winning because it's "their" guys in there right now.
There has to be something in the water or food making us compliant, some ubiquitous pollutant(s,) some 1984 type shit.
Saying Labour is worse than the Tories is utter madness.
The magna carta got cancelled and you support it because it is "your" team.