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I don't know if I'd support abolishing them. But I would definitely support reeling them in, defunding them by a lot, and having a lot more oversight, including from the states, on where they can go, and how they are used. All the cosplaying bullshit should be taken away from them (and cops, too) - the militarization is just ridiculous.
And for sure - none of these fuckers should be masked. Not ONE of them should be allowed to do that job anonymously.
If those changes are not on the table, yeah, abolish ICE.
So I really wonder how that 50% looks if you were to dig in. Probably a LOT of nuance in there.
Their only job is to enforce a law that has made it a crime to be a brown person from another country who is just trying to make a better life for themselves. We don't need ICE. Their job only exists because of racism. It should not me as difficult as it is to become a legal citizen in the US. Very few people would be here illegally if the path to citizenship wasn't so god damn difficult to begin with.
I saw a reel today from what i consider a credible enough source, (still plan to look this up but i feel it's credible enough to base this comment on).
There's a major problem that needs to be dealt with when talking about any kind of enforcement.
Firstly, US citizens DO NOT require to have any form of ID or papers on them, at all, for any reason. Yet visa holders, immigrants, vacationers, etc, have to carry their papers AT ALL TIME or that's a federal violation.
Secondly, ICE has no jurisdiction over US citizens. If they ask me anything, i don't have to comply. As long at I'm not interfering with their job, as to be arrested for obstruction of justice. Their job is solely to enforce immigration laws.
So the problem this creates is that they can just claim I'm not a citizen and arrest me for not having proper documentation. Best case scenario, they look me up in the system, see I'm a citizen, and let me go. Worst case? Well, yeah, we are seeing that unfold every day in the news.
Boot lickers will say, well just carry your ID, and comply! And miss the entire point. There's due process violations happening all across the country, people being arrested just because, to intimidate us into cowering in a corner while they kidnap and torture folks. So either we cave and start to carry our IDs, which won't help when they claim it's a fake ID, and allow them to ratchet up again to only allowing certain people to have IDs, or whatever fascist BS they have planned next for their white, christian ethnostate.
Or no one needs to carry around an ID and just abolish ICE all together because we don't need to enforce immigration laws, just make it easier. Think of the extra tax dollars that could be had if non citizens could spend their money without worrying about being deported! Plus the extra money for not paying another useless enforcement agency. For those one off cases, i would rather a percentage go to the FBI for a division that investigates non citizen crime, and let the courts handle deportations.
We don’t need ICE. We’ve got so many overlapping alphabet agencies we don’t need yet another bloated gestapo. ICE, CBP, USCIS, etc. a warrant to a local PD to arrest someone should be sufficient, not a convoy of masked military cosplay racists shooting people because their fee fees got hurt.
I think it would be more effective to get rid of ICE and use those resources to properly fund the immigration court system, so it can process cases much more quickly.
There is the bigger issue of addressing the causes also. Over a century of destabilizing its neighbors to exploit them for private profit and keep them firmly within the US sphere of influence has predicability created a lot of migration. Fixing that will take many years though.
Yeah, all good points. The conservatives only like to talk about people "invading" the country "only" for things like economic ones (in other words, finding a job). They don't like to talk about any systemic things and how things like NAFTA might have created such conditions...
Anyway, yeah, depending on the options of either shrinking ICE to a fraction of their funding and size and constraining them in a sane way, or the plan to outright abolish them - the implementation would matter a great deal as to what would make the most sense.
If it's done smash-and-grab style like the fake "doge" group did, I don't think that'd be good. If there are actual plans to spin down staff and transition responsibilities and data to other appropriate group(s), being led by someone that actually knows something - that'd be the right way.
Normally I'd concur wholeheartedly. I have concerns about the culture that has permeated ICE and whether it can effectively be resolved through reorganization. Perhaps specific functions can be spun off into a new or existing department.