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That is one case, which is the reason why it's usually culturally/genetically frowned upon. The other reason I guess is to prevent abuse in a parent/child relationship, where it's different because there's a power difference
Some forms of incest are fine and it's most cultural taboo that makes it a problem. Other types are extremely problematic and should be illegal no questions asked.
The problem then becomes how do you unknot the cultural problems from the legal ones and have anyone willing to actually talk about this in the first place.
Also you have to start getting into the weeds of how distant of a relative before its not incest anymore. Which from my limited knowledge countries seem to disagree on.
Yeah. It is less "Oh no. This person I met at the bar and fell in love with is actually my cousin" and more "Oh, dad's been grooming sally since she was 6..."
Doesn't need any incest laws for that, when child abuse is already illegal, though.
Or do you think the predator in that scenario is gonna wait for her to reach legal age?
You DO realize that much of human culture and ceremony is about exactly that, right? Like... "debutante balls" and the like are literally "yo, my daughter is legal so who wants to fuck her?". That is also, largely, the basis for the concept of "grooming"
That's a pretty screwed up way to view society. 'Debutante balls', at the least the ones I know, are usual events where teenagers dance with partners of the SAME age.
This is more an elitist networking event with the chance to get your offspring to hook up with someone of 'suitable' social status.
Historically speaking, the age gaps might have been a lot bigger, but I guess societal norms and laws were also different then.
Of you course you can't avoid older people on the sidelines ogling, but presenting that as the main purpose of the event is a pretty big stretch imho.
And regarding grooming: that's not the typical definition, either. Usually grooming is a tactic to make the abuse victim accepting of their abuse. Waiting for them to reach legal age before 'cashing in' on that effort is not a usual part of it.
I agree it might be a hypothetical scenario though, that could be played out to do some really fucked up manipulation long game, while staying within a legal framework. But then again, that doesn't strictly require the predator and victim to be related and if you want to have a way to abolish that, it shouldn't need to rely on that either.
I once went to a convention that was double booked with a Jewish youth convention. It was pretty obvious the whole thing was for having Jewish kids hook up with each other. Also, lots of Youth IDF shirts if you wanted to know for sure what flavor of Judaism was there. I have nothing but respect for anti war Jews.
Guys I was playing about the roleplay stuff. And I don't promote incest. I'm just saying if folks are gonna do it, take the precautions to stop the effects of birth.
My bad y'all.
Edit cause I made yall mad. I wasn't ignoring the grooming aspect that can happen. I'm tlaking about 2 consenting adults who night be siblings. If they are consenting and willing to make sure they do not have a pregnancy, I see no problem with it. As long as there is consent and they are adults.
And no, I'm not into insect because I'm an only child like the buttmunch below me said. I merely tried the role play once or twice with my partner. It was alright. But wasn't my favorite.
Anyways my bad guys, I figured y'al could laugh at it, but I seem to have pressed a button and I apologize for that. Excuse any spelling mistake...my phone is cracked and it bright as fuck outside...I can barely see my screen.
Speaking of abusive sibling:
Yo I'm so lucky I'm cis male.
If I was female, I'm pretty sure that my older brother would've SA'ed me.
Like dude literally used zip ties to tie me up because I was "being annoying" to him...
like he's 5 years older than me, so much power over me, like during that incident, I was probably like 6, he was 11...
so traumatized being unable to move for several hours until my parents came home
dude has zero boundaries
Yes I'm aware siblings can be abusive. I figured we are all smart enough here to know that. And to know I wasn't talking about theoe dynamics.
Got it. So we don't need laws because the people on a pseudo-reddit board are above it. Now tell us more about how you and your "partner" roleplay you fucking your sibling again.
You're being an asshole. I never said there shouldn't be laws. My laws would be if you're gonna do it with your bro or sis, there are rules (laws) that you need to follow.
Christ, dude. Are you just wanting to fight? Oh wee, I roleplay with my wife. Omg everyone stop. I do roleplays that might be a little out there. I'm not shitting on her or eating her shit. Calm your ass down you grumpy goose.
And what's with the "partner" thing? I'm 33 yr old. Celebrating my 10th anniversary on Feb 2nd with my partner/wife. What would be my reasons for lying about being with someone? That's a lame way to try to make me look small while building yourself up. You seem like a bully.
And what you're not getting is that you can't meaningfully consent when someone in a position of power and safety has spent years convincing you that the only way to stay safe is to fuck them.
Jesus christ, dude. You know I'm not talking about this groomer rapists shit you are talking about. I'm talking about 2 consenting adults who might be related having willing sex. No groomer shit. No older bro or older sis or younger bro or younger sis. Just 2 adults who are related consenting to sex. Of fucking course a older sibling manipulating a younger sibling into sex is wrong.
Seriously, go lick sidewalk, trying to paint me as some type of monster. Putting words in my mouth. Screw you, dude.
If you had a sibling you wouldnโt be a weirdo into incest
I'm not into it? I roleplayed it maybe twice with my partner.
Giggity