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This community is inspired by this post on !showerthoughts@lemmy.world:

We really need a community where you can just post about anything that you’re really passionate about, which you’re currently researching/thinking about, sothat others can learn something about it as well and maybe discuss about it.

This showerthoughts community is a bit like it because you can just post whatever comes to your mind, but i’d like it to be more in-depth and with higher quality. Something like showerthoughts, but bathtubthoughts, i.e. when you’re soaking in a hot bathtub and thinking about stuff for 20 minutes or sth, and then post that. You know what i mean?

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Just to put things into proportion:

This is vienna. Vienna has an area of around 400 km².

And the blue area is the area that would have to be covered by solar panels to produce enough energy for the whole city:

Source: I did the maths myself. I assumed that per person around 30 MWh of energy/year are needed. Data for this: our world in data, energy usage per person. It's well known that 1 m² of solar panel produces around 200 Wp and that's 200 kWh/year. So you need about 150 m² of solar cells per person. Vienna has about a million inhabitants, so that makes 150 km² of solar panels approximately.

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[–] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's definitely a lot of solar panels!

I really don't understand why fields are used for solar panels, instead of parking lots

[–] taguebbe@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Por que no los dos? In the case of germany, 60% of agricultural Land is used for feeding live stock. 10% is used for "energy plants" - With a yield ~50 times lower than an equivalent pv-area. You'd need 5% of all of the agriculturally used Land to be fitted with solar panels to fulfill the electrical energy demand of germany. It's frankly just stupid that we don't try to go for that.

Don't know the numbers for austria, but i assume they are simmilar.

[–] DoomProphet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But his question was why not use parking lots first? It's already dead ground for nature, has the additional advantage to keep the cars cool in the shade and the electricity is produced closer to where it's needed.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Because putting solar panels on parking lots is more expensive than on fields. On a field you can just put stuff somewhere. For a parking lot you have to build raised platforms which have to have supports in places cars don't have to park/drive through etc, maintenance is more expensive due to being high above ground, and construction is more complicated.

Solar panels also aren't necessarily bad for nature, they actually help many plants and animals. Most fields weren't always fields, but used to be forests. The partial shade introduced by the solar panels is good, because the ecosystem is still adapted to that.

To put it simply: they're putting it in the places that are cheapest first. Once those are full or become more expensive, other places will see solar panel installations.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I commented on this in another comment: Large-scale flat-area solar parks (called "utility-scale solar") are simply much cheaper (per kWh produced) than rooftop and parking-lot solar panels.

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