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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also speaking for the US, aspects of the civil rights movement and other positive political movements have at times been critically dependent on Religious organization... and I have no interests in defending Organized Religion, I don't consider myself Religious but the reality is much more complex than "Religion dumb Science smart".

For one, the concept of evolution and then genetics absolutely supercharged racism and honestly Science had little capability to mitigate it. The 20th century may have gone very differently if Scientific leaders had immediately resoundingly rejected eugenics at an ideological level rather than attempt to differentiate what they studied from "race ""science"" in the details. In otherwords, Science was incapable of equipping the followers of its ideology with the systematic tools to resist fascism and oppression whereas you can easily demonstrate various different Religious groups that were instrumental in resisting fascism and oppression (and plenty more that weren't, I am not defending that awful batting average at all).

The reality or unreality of Religion isn't the point, from a Scientific perspective Religion is relevant because people imbue it with belief and that should be respected for the reality that creates, the point isn't that God exists or doesn't honestly I think no question could be more boring to a true follower of Science who would know such questions by definition cannot be answered via the Scientific Method. A true Scientist is also driven by a love for the universe that is around them, and ultimately that isn't too different than someone who is truly Religious at the core of the human experience of it.

Organized Religions are always two things, the Religion itself and the political structure of the Religion and in many cases those political structures can be very hostile to Science, but I do not believe inherently so and I do not believe it is a lack of Scientific thinking that allows the political structures of Religion to become hostile towards Science since Science cannot even prevent the internal structures it is built upon from becoming hostile towards itself.

It is funny that the more you talk about "Science" and the more you talk about "Religion" the more universally relevant yet irrelevant the words become, the important stuff always escapes a single word like that...