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TL;DR?
MacOS's UI is shit as always.
That’s not at all the tl;dr!
“Users don’t like MacOS’s liquid glass, especially not me, but they released it anyway and this is bad.”
If only there was an alternative.
Oh well
Ah thanks, so a slop article that barely belongs in the community here. Got it.
Come on dude, please use your own brain. The article is not AI slop - it is an informed rant about an UI topic from someone who knows what they are talking about. Please read the fucking article before accusing it of being AI slop - I mean, your whole post is kind slop. Just writing "TL;DR" and then spitting wild accusations and pronouncing that something does not belong into the community after reading a misleading one-sentence summary is sloppy as fuck. You can do better, dude!
Who's talking about AI? And there is no article, not even a summary. It's just a link dump.
What are you talking about? Just click on the link and read the article. Like, well, you should do with every link that gets submitted here in this community.
I will not read every article.
That's ok - but why would you then want to discuss an article you don't want to read on the internet?
Good question. I read the comments to find out if it is worth reading. Also much of the time, the comments are more interesting than the article, so I just have a discussion in the comments with the headline and other comments as the jumping off point.
I get where you're going here and I do the same as far as reading, but before I post I make it a point to actually read the article. Otherwise I may be forming and asking questions clearly already addressed or are completely divorced from the actual topic because I lack the articles context.
I feel it is part of the mutual respect with other posters to not waste their time asking questions already answered (in the article) or derailing the conversation because I don't know what conversation I'm in.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Often times if I see an interesting question in the comments, I am glad for it, because that was the insight I needed to want to read the article and answer it.
I get what you're saying about going over ground already answered in the article. For me that isn't annoying unless the commenter is getting something wrong that is talked about in the article, and doubles down on it.
But plenty of interesting conversations can happen in the comments (like this one) that have almost nothing whatever to do with the article! I feel like each post is an invitation to discuss the general topic, but I don't consider reading the article to be an absolute prerequisite. If you feel like that is disrespectful, I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it is that disrespectful.
Just reading comments without the article? I have no issue with that at all, and do that myself.
How do you, as the commenter yourself, know you aren't getting something wrong without reading the article?
How do you know what the general topic is without reading the article?
Maybe disrespectful is too strong a term. Let me amend that; I lose respect for the poster when they're asking a question that is answered in the article. I sometimes write off engaging with them further in that thread because they're clearly not even doing the most basic of tasks to be a part of the conversation.
I'll do this too on occasionally, if I can clearly tell we're not discussion the article topic, but its a gamble on my part and if someone smacks me down because it is article topical, I fully own that and apologize knowing its my fault.
I try not to comment on what I don't know about, so I might write a general comment about the wider topic (known from the headline and picture) or respond to someone else about a peripheral point, or make a joke based on word associations.
Once in a while I might get something wrong but hopefully not more often than normal.
Sometimes I'll comment first, and then read the article later if the article's contents become germaine to the discussion.
That's totally fair to ignore low effort comments! And I do get how they can be annoying. For me I try to make my corner of the internet a little more fun, but I definitely scroll and comment for the dopamine and don't read every article. But I do try to contribute to the discussion in a positive way.
I think I'll remember this conversation when I'm commenting in the future. ;)
Have a happy new year!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I appreciate it.
You too!
Let's just agree to disagree, I personally don't like to be reliant on external sources when there is no good reason to not post the article directly.
I mean.. it’s not slop. It’s a good, old-fashioned well-supported rant about how Apple has abandoned good user interface design.
I do wish that anal-retentive, careful, thoughtful geeks would come back into power in place of flashy shallow thinkers.
But I can’t say I expect shaking fists at clouds is likely to accomplish much.
Well the guy who came up with this crap design did leave Apple. So maybe if enough people shake their fist at the cloud, something finally happens.
Looking back, I think it was a freak accident that the ARCTG crowd ended up calling the shots originally. Computer design was considered janitorial/secretarial style work by powerful people in the beginning, and it wasn’t until the late 90s that the “get rich quick by taking advantage of others” crowd realized there was a lot of money to be made.
Arctg? (Anal-retentive, careful, thoughtful geek).
I initially thought it was slop, and then I looked at who wrote it. This is someone I have a lot of respect for.
Personally, I’ve used every Mac UI from the original Twiggy interface, and prefer the UI of Mac OS 7.6.1 with Greg’s Browser, OtherMenu and DragThing. If I could get a macOS back-end with that user interface on the front end, I feel I could get stuff done faster with less frustration.
There was nothing wrong with the original Xerox PARC or Apple HIG documents; their findings still hold true today.
There is a summary at the bottom of the article.
Ah thanks again, now this would have been handy to include inside the body of the post to begin with.
That's true. And at the top of the article instead of the bottom.
Bad ui
I’ve yet to actually see anything like that on Tahoe. This is most likely just an app that isn’t updated yet. It’s a bad example.
Crazy how >1000 words needs a summary.
how could one manage living an adult life like that?