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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You've said a lot of things! I don't have the time or energy rn to reply to all of them, but about the Joseph thing - yes, his lineage should be irrelevant if he's not actually Jesus's father. I've seen excuses for why it matters, and I think the original reason is that the virgin thing was added on later, they originally did think he was his father.

And yeah, the virgin thing was the author of one of the gospels (I forget which) wanting to 'fulfil prophecy' with Jesus and reading something about how the Greek word meaning virgin or young woman would give birth to a son before something happened (in context something to do with a battle, like as a figure of speech to communicate a length of time). So yeah, it's about a normal pregnancy, and then it was interpreted as a 'virgin birth' which the gospel writer used to make Mary a virgin to 'fulfill prophecy' (which is in context nothing to do with the messiah).

I hope that's not too bumbling to make sense, in any case there are plenty people who've explained it much better than me, like the YouTuber Mindshift ;)

This is mostly about Christianity, which I will admit is mostly not my expertise. I will confirm that in the OT the Hebrew word does in context mean a young woman who has conceived a child in the usual way, however.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey, that's more than fair enough!

Yeah its Matthew where that happens, the virgin mistranslation thing... and I think also the geneology thing, but I think the geneology thing is a significant part of other Gospels as well?

But yes, what you've explained makes total sense, but that's probably/possibly because I also watch Mindshift and a good deal of other similar kinds of channels.

I guess I just wanted to 1) have the whole 'alma' thing directly verified by someone who can read Hebrew, and 2) make sure I was not unintentionally making some significant error when it comes to trying to parse I guess 'mainstream' Judaism vs Messianic Judaism.

As you are not as familiar with Christianity, I am not so familiar with the various modern... branches, would you say? of Judaism.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

In this case it's not really to do with Judaism, but rather the meaning of the Hebrew word ;)

Rabbinic/mainstream orthodox Judaism does have some interesting ideas about Jesus however