this post was submitted on 20 Dec 2025
302 points (92.4% liked)

memes

18550 readers
4014 users here now

Community rules

1. Be civilNo trolling, bigotry or other insulting / annoying behaviour

2. No politicsThis is non-politics community. For political memes please go to !politicalmemes@lemmy.world

3. No recent repostsCheck for reposts when posting a meme, you can only repost after 1 month

4. No botsNo bots without the express approval of the mods or the admins

5. No Spam/Ads/AI SlopNo advertisements or spam. This is an instance rule and the only way to live. We also consider AI slop to be spam in this community and is subject to removal.

A collection of some classic Lemmy memes for your enjoyment

Sister communities

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even if free will is an illusion, its best to teach it. Otherwise you'll have people going its not my fault I killed my father. I was prophesied to do so.

I don't know. To me agency and free will feel pretty separate. Events are necessitated by the past and the laws of the universe. But us choosing to do something is a part of that, and so are our values. I'm not sure if I would act any different if I believed in Compatibilism or free will, but I don't think I would. How would life be any different?

Unless you're getting determinism mixed up with pre-destination

[–] AnDoLiN@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Nope.

I have absolutely 0 desire to harm anyone. I don't believe in free will... i don't even experience myself as having it. But I have absolutely no true desire to hurt anyone. Maybe sometimes I get upset and I wanna tear someone a new one but i would never actually harm anyone. It's just a passing feeling.

But yeah, that other guy maybe did kill someone. But correct it ain't their "fault". Because there's no such damn thing as fault. However there are CONSEQUENCES. Maybe that kid got bullied, they were alone, and the consequence is they shot up the school. I don't need fault to recognize yeah that ain't a good thing. i can just recognize a potential chain of events and ask oh hey maybe fucking let's do something to address mental health issues BEFORE people get hurt. Because the consequence of that just might be less shot up schools. Or maybe someone actually did get born with a brain unlike mine that just is cool with hurting other people. Let's find a way to address that. I don't need to hate that person but I can say, yeah, maybe don't let them around other people in the interest of the well-being of majority. give them as humane life as possible but don't give them the opportunity to hurt others. That's all. Fault has fuck all do with any of it. Like I said, just a tool of tyranny.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ah yes, just as one chooses to be gay or houseless. /s

Whether or not free will exists is a fine philosophical debate but teaching it would be akin to doing the same with religion in school. Fine as part of a college course but not for primary.