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I agree that abortion is about the fundamental right to bodily autonomy, wrote the same point before, and think too many people miss that & liberal philosophy in general. Everything in their first comment is great.
However, I think they mischaracterize the objection.
That's not necessarily the argument. A more challenging argument: someone who willingly places a body in themselves creates a duty absent from someone who has not. The host willingly placed inside themselves a body that did not choose to be there & now depends on the host. Therefore, the host has an obligation to fulfill their duty to that body.
An analogy might be a life-saving procedure dependent on a host that almost certainly results in death when interrupted. Someone volunteers to a random lottery for a host & is selected. They allow the procedure to begin. However, midway through they demand to interrupt the procedure.
While I'm in favor of abortion for various reasons[^golden], I think this is a more difficult argument to counter. Maybe a better arguer knows a good counterargument.
[^golden]: primarily, if I were a fetus, I don't think I'd mind getting aborted
To combine your analogy with the original one:
Say your sister had a chronic condition and required frequent blood transfusions of your extremely rare blood type. Without your donations she is almost certain to die. Is it OK for the government to force you to donate?
What if you agree to donate, but change your mind later? Maybe you have a falling out, or it’s negatively affecting your health, or it’s just consuming so much of your time and energy that you want to stop? Should that be illegal? Should the government throw you in jail and call you a murderer because you had the misfortune to allow someone to depend on you?
What if you didn’t even mean to donate to her that first time, you just agreed to get tested to see if you were a match? You were hoping it would be incompatible, because you really had no intention of sacrificing yourself like that, but you wanted to keep her love? Should the government force you to donate if you did turn out to be a match? Plenty of people who seek abortions never intended to become pregnant.