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I find it interesting that all these low participation/new accounts have come out of the woodwork to pump up AI in the last 2 weeks. I'm so sick of having this slop clogging up my feed. You're literally saying that your vibes are more important than actual data, just like all the others. I'm sorry, but its not.
My experience btw, is that llms produce hot garbage that takes longer to fix than if I wrote it myself, and all the people that say "but it writes my unit tests for me!" are submitting garbage unit tests, that often don't even exercise the code, and are needlessly difficult to maintain. I happen to think tests are just as important as production code so it upsets me.
The biggest thing that the meteoric rise of developers using LLMs has done for me is confirm just how many people in this field are fucking terrible at their jobs.
"just how many people are fucking terrible at their jobs".
Apparently so. When I review mathematics software it's clear that non-mathematicians have no clue what they are doing. Many of them are subtlely broken, they use either trivial algorithms or extremely inefficient implementations of sophisticated algorithms (e.g trial division tends to be the most efficient factorization algorithm because they can't implement anything else efficiently or correctly).
The only difference I've noticed with the rise of LLM coding is that more exotic functions tend to be implemented, completely ignoring it's applicability. e.g using the Riemann Zeta function to prove primality of an integer, even though this is both very inefficient and floating-point accuracy renders it useless for nearly all 64-bit integers.
Have you read anything I've written on how I use LLM's? Hot garbage? When's the last time you actually used one?
Here are some studies to counter your vibes argument.
55.8% faster: https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.06590
These ones indicate positive effects: https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.12944 https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.19708