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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hate cars more than anything on this planet. And my great sorrow is that when I die, I will never have seen a car-free day in my life.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You could spend a day camping in the wilderness before you die?

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago

I do, I do. There's always engine noise. You can't escape it. I can't even imagine what life must have been like five hundred years ago. It must have been so quiet and peaceful. No cars, no radios, no tvs, no planes, not the constant droning of some kind of engine, not even lights.

In the evenings it would be calm and quiet and dark, apart from conversation, maybe some birds chirping, the sounds of an inn cooking dinner and serving guests, the only light coming from flickering candles or torches or fires. Streets were for walking. You'd meet people, friends, enemies, children, pretty girls, and I believe it would all be fairly hushed early in the evening, because people would go to bed when it was dark and no further work could be done for the day, and men would sit huddled around campfires and drink whatever beverage they had, like wine or beer, from bottles made of glass or clay.

Sure, there'd be some serious drawbacks to that life too, but at least their air wasn't poison, they didn't breathe poison.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Do you camp in the wilderness? Because most people insist on bringing their car or their SUV with them.

I make it a point to cycle to provincial parks and use rustic camp grounds, but most of these still have parking spaces. In fact, the provincial parks here literally have a disclaimer on their website to warn people that some camp sites are not accessible by car. You have to tick a box that says "I understand this camp ground is not accessible by car".

And if people want to go on crown/public lands where wild camping is permitted, then they're probably gonna use a fucking car.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago

I camp in the wilderness. I can still hear the cars. There is no escape. You'd have to go way out into the wild to be free from noise pollution. Or other pollution. And there's still going to be both.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So go to one of those campsites inaccessible by car and spend a couple days

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago

That's the point. You have to traverse serious wilderness to get away from it. It used to be the normal state of the world. Now it's all fucking smog and 24/7 engine noise. You'd have to go seriously off grid to get away from it.