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Following the "voluntary" scanning added in the latest EU Council Chat Control vote, what is a realistic option for a family/friends chat? Is self hosting your own Matrix/DeltaChat server the only opt (piefed.zip)

submitted 1 week ago by Blaze@piefed.zip to c/privacy@programming.dev

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https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/reality-check-eu-council-chat-control-vote-is-not-a-retreat-but-a-green-light-for-indiscriminate-mass-surveillance-and-the-end-of-right-to-communicate-anonymously/

By "shared" servers I mean hosters like https://tchncs.de/en/ who offer a bunch of services (they do a great job at it by the way) including Matrix and Lemmy.

I'm thinking of moving my close family to a Matrix chat over there, but I guess long term they might have to implement the ChatControl scanning.

This whole thing is just stupid.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hopefully this announcement will still push people to FOSS messengers.

I personally moved most of my data from Google and Microsoft around 2 years ago. Sure, they still have the data until 2021, but there's no time machine, we can only act on the present.

“Matrix ansible project”,

My main issue with Matrix is the onboarding process. I just tried myself with two accounts, one on Fluffychat, the other on ElementX, the verification process is buggy (didn't work the first time, I had to restart the apps for it to work), and even after you verify, ElementX will still show FluffyChat messages with a red warning because "this message has been sent from a device not verified by the sender", while there is no way to verify the device on FluffyChat.

And I had to use FluffyChat as multi-account is still not available in Element X.

Anyway, I just set up DeltaChat on my girlfriend's phone, we'll try in out in the coming days. I keep an eye on second-hand Pixels with GrapheneOS, but one step at a time.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be honest, I'm only using Matrix for the bridges into every other service, so I can talk to people on messenger, signal, telegram, discord and whatsapp through a single app, the Matrix client, so I at least don't have spyware on my phone, even though they'll get my messages. And E2E encryption doesn't apply in that case, so I never had to deal with it.

With self-hosted solution, your main advantage is that you can simply create the accounts on the server side, and don't need any verification. After the first login, it usually asks for every new device, that you have to confirm the session on a device that's already confirmed, but I never had issues with that.

But I don't have experience with actuall Matrix to Matrix communication, I just used the bridges. Haven't tried DeltaChat yet, but tbh I've just given up convincing people to switch and am glad I can at least have the bridges working, so I never have to login or use any apps or websites of FB/Discord/whatever.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 6 days ago

and don't need any verification.

It's still a good idea because the clients will show a scary warning for everyone else