Nothing you listed there is liberalism. Those are all things liberals fought tooth and nail against. They were forced on liberals who decided it was better to allow them to exist because otherwise we would tear down capitalism which is what Liberals are actually about.

[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I guess I should specified Modern Liberalism in the United States. Since liberalism means something else outside the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It really doesn't. That's just something Americans liberals try to sell so people they don't realize how liberals are always working against their interests.

My comment was absolutely applied to American politics.

[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I mean you aren't wrong when it comes to American liberal politicians. That's just the differences between liberalism and socialism in theory, the actual differences in practice is another story.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think you should give a definition of what you think a liberal is. You're just confusing the issue by not saying what you mean.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In short? Capitalists. Liberals are capitalists. The birth of liberalism goes hand in hand with the birth of capitalism. The liberal revolutions were capitalist revolutions. Everything stems from that inescapable fact of history. It's the one aspect of liberals that dominates everything about them and colors every single decision they make. Everything else is just window dressing that can be thrown away at their leisure. If you want to understand liberals you have to understand that.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So, you're a communist is what you're saying. Name one communist country in the history of the world that has lasted longer than 10 years. You introduce greeds, it's impossible.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

You should know that you are making a very ideologically based argument, since as far as anyone can tell the self-labelled communist countries through history were degraded into authoritarian dictatorships immediately, and so mislabeled. Cuba is called communist, and while they too slid immediately into authoritarianism, they call themselves socialist.

You seem to be using the word in a colloquial rather than an academic way.

In addition, consider the massive economic war of the last 150 years, exemplified by the CIA-backed murder of a million or so people in Indonesia, to stamp out so-called communism. Pretty tough to get anything going, between the pressures of violence and lies.