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US tells NATO if Zelenskyy does not sign peace deal Ukraine will face worse in future
(www.theguardian.com)
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And who exactly are these leaders working on behalf of? Because it sounds like this absolutely dogshit deal favors the Russians and gives them everything they want. They’re holding Ukraine at gunpoint and threatening them to accept a very unfavorable deal. With the Russians beside them.
Possibly on behalf of Ukrainians. 68% of them want a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible. Are you sure you're speaking on behalf of the Ukrainians?
…yeah. Did you read the article? Of course no one wants to be at war, especially when that war is going on at home. But ceding the territory the Russians invaded, amnesty for war crimes committed, and Russian as the official language? The US and Russia were the only ones negotiating, without Ukraine, without other allies.
This is Russia and the us strong arming—together—Ukraine into accepting a terrible deal. Trump has been negotiating for Russia and with Ukraine the whole time.
All of this is you speculating what Ukrainian citizens want and what they don't want out of a negotiated peace.
For example, regarding Russian as the official language, in some eastern regions of what was Ukraine up to 2013, such as Crimea, Donets and Lugansk, there was a majority of people who considered themselves ethnically Russian. After the annexation of Crimea by Russia, many of these people wanted an independence referendum, quite parallel to Catalonia but regarding annexation to Russia. This was antidemocratically forbidden by the central government in a clear violation of the human right to self-determination, and instead in these regions, which formerly had the possibility to access public education in Russian, this stopped being the case and Ukrainian became the only language in which people could attain an education.
This doesn't justify Russia's invasion, don't get me wrong, but I don't think I'm in a position to criticize negotiation attempts when a vast majority of Ukrainians desire it, without knowing exactly what they would be willing to give up in exchange.