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We need to fundamentally change our values to prioritize life over money. Money, the abstraction of value for exchanging resources, has brainwashed us into collecting and spending it. We've allowed it to get between us and access to literally everything tiny thing we need to survive, and we even use it as a social score that places us in castes. Money truly is the root of all evil. Think about it, every decision we make is based on money, how much it costs, how fortunate you are to have the money in the first place. Money money money. Life over money, please
while i agree with the sentiment, i want to point something out.
when you say it like this, somebody else will read it and say "aha, so instead of maximizing money, we have to maximize life, which implies forcing women to have babies. pro-birther confirmed." and that's probably not what you intended.
so i guess one could maybe modify your statement a bit to make it make more sense in some other people's eye.
That's a chicken or the egg situation isn't it?
You need money to feed someone, to get a roof, for healthcare. Wouldn't anyone growing up their entire life in this system be reasonably expected to be obsessed with money? Thus perpetuating the system and the issue.
Human labor transforms the physical materials of nature into useful goods. Humans can decide how to collectively organize their labor.
We don't actually need money to feed anyone (look at indigenous tribes for example). We have collectively decided to put paywalls on everything we produce. Which is a shame, because we produce more than enough for everyone.
Money is a medium of exchange. Without money, we'd still exchange shit. Humans live to be wasteful. Human extinction is the best solution.
Eco-fascism isn't the solution to problems caused by a system that rewards greed and misuse.
Pretty sure humans rather than greed are the problem & ending humans would end all sustainability problems on the planet.
Societies that have tried to eliminate the profit motive/greed have spoiled the planet worse. Consider the USSR: compared to the US, a better environmental record might be expected due to their command economy. To the contrary
Their planners considered pollution control
and
And this generously glosses over the extent of water contamination, hazardous dumping of toxic & nuclear waste into oceans, etc.
Humans are the problem despite efforts to eliminate greed. The other species on the planet deserve better.
Eco-fascism is bad no matter how kindly you spell it out. You're not going to willingly sacrifice yourself. You just want others to do it.
I'm presenting the argument to refute claims that this simply reduces to greed when it doesn't. Humans are the problem, and you're not refuting it.
The higher ancient Mesopotamian gods had the right idea of exterminating humanity for not letting them rest. Their mistake was to settle for limiting their population growth with
instead of ending them.
Please tell me who you want eliminated first. Tell me what people are safe to restrict from breeding. I'm sure this time eugenics won't be misused!
Edit: Come on, you won't say who you're comfortable with ending their culture? Not shocking since you'd just say it was the brown people who are unimportant.
Just gonna leave this here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement