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There's always lying on the application then being quietly, passively obstructive.
That's how a lot of the deeply "set in" authoritarian empires have started you know.
A lot of people unhappy with the situation but just keeping quiet and pretending to go along with shit. Until years pass and a whole new generation of government workers who grew up with all this as normal come in and sign the oaths with a shrug and a smile.
That's how you end up in a trial with your only defense being "I was just following orders."
I'm surprised someone hasn't automated checking that box, then filling in a paragraph of text that sounds like it agrees but ends with a full-left pivot. Would waste some time for sure.
There's apparently some people joining ICE like that. They're offering some huge bonuses with pretty decent salaries, especially if you have military service. Then they do nothing.
Jam up the system.
As someone who has worked in the Federal sphere before, this happens anyway; Ron Swansons are all over the place and have been for a long time. The idea that this would happen deliberately, en masse, is actually kind of awesome in a terrifying way.
Lying has always been an integral part of USAJOBS...
Idiots are overconfident and rate themselves 5/5 for everything, subject matter experts of everything under the sun who know everything...
Rational people know they have limitations and that not everyone knows everything.
But due to how the process works, if you don't over-exagaratte your abilities, you'll never get to an interview. Because your numbers aren't as good as over confident idiots.
I can guarantee no actual fed is facing a crisis of ethics on if they can bs on an application
You might not be American, which would explain not knowing that Americans can sue over literally anything.
I can say that you implying I was a confident idiot caused me emotional stress, and sue the shit out of you. I'd probably lose, but I could still sue you over it. Even though I really don't give a fuck if a random social media account didn't understand my comment and lashed out with an insult.
Does that make sense now?
They can be 100% fine bullshitting normally on an application, but due to recent events they want to sue instead.
It doesn't mean that they're not comfortable bullshitting.
A cartoon might help you understand it more if my comment didn't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHhG9DbHbW0
What?
You think I have to go to your country and sue you there? Collection would have some hoops, but obviously Americans can sue non-Americans. But your courts really wouldn't be involved at all. Unless to cooperate with America.
I don't understand why you're making assumptions and trying to start an argument, when you self admittedly aren't American and completely unaware of how our legal process works.
If you don't know about this, why don't you want to ask questions and learn?
https://legalclarity.org/can-you-sue-someone-from-another-country/
Yeah, you can sue anyone and maybe even win in U.S. courts. But collecting wouldn't just have some hoops for a stupid lawsuit not recognized to have any merit by the country of the defendant - it would be entirely impossible.
That would be nice. Wouldn't it?
In a fair system you'd be 100% correct, and I'd be happy.
But that's not the world we live in.
It's not a matter of being fair. You can't forcefully extract funds from an entity outside of your jurisdiction. Countries that have agreements on inter federal law enforcement will never persecute someone in their own borders for another country if the charges or suit would have no merit in their country.
...
Who said anything about that?
It's a civil judgement and I legitimately can't tell if you typo'd prosecute or think this is persecution.
But if it was a substantial judgement you may see stuff like sanctions that could happen even without the other countries cooperation
Who's going to sanction who? This thread was talking about lying on a resume. You think a country will impose sanctions on another for something as menial and stupid as that? Countries don't use sanctions unless it's billions of dollars or many lives involved.
Everytime you make a comment, you add to a growing list of things that need to be explained to you for you to understand....
Like, I'm sorry but this is verbal quicksand, the more I try to help you, the more stuff you need explained.
You are misunderstanding what they mean by sanction. In this case it's just a penalty that could threaten you if you were ever within the courts jurisdiction. They don't mean that the US would impose a sanction on your home country.
The courts could rule you in contempt and have a warrant issued in your name. If you ever were inside of the jurisdiction you would then be potentially arrested and held until you could face criminal charges for contempt. Extradition is a thing as well but that really doesn't happen unless it's a major crime both countries recognize.
i see your law knowledge also comes from comics 😂
https://legalclarity.org/can-you-sue-someone-from-another-country/
I can try to find something easier to read, but I didn't find any actual comics.
What are you having difficulty with in that link?
The most relevant bit is this:
You're on a US based social media website, it would not be difficult at all to have a lawsuit based on an exchange here heard in American courts.
You could ignore it, but then you'd almost certainly lose and have to fight collections.
But if I'm not doing a good enough job explaining, you're probably better off reading the full article
maybe they did not tell you that, but there is whole rest of the world behind us borders and not everything is "us based".
i am not us citizen on a website that is not hosted on us soil, doing something that is absolutely not illegal in my jurisdiction.
the only international cooperation you would get from justice system in my country would be showing you the middle finger, because "american snowflake did not like something they read on the internet" is not a crime here. go back to comics, or cry to mods, whichever you prefer.
Correct...
But you're on a lemmy.world community right now. And it's US based, and hosted on US soil, even tho your local instance may not be. But this community is, and this is where your comments are going and where they're being posted.
Doesn't matter if it's a crime there.
Or even if it's a crime in America.
Because a civili lawsuit isn't criminal...
That link didn't go into the difference of civil lawsuits and criminal prosecution in America, I could find one if you're not able on your own tho
I'm happy to try and help you understand, if you don't want help understanding, it's as easy as not replying again. Although I'm afraid continued incivil comments will likely keep resulting in your comments being deleted.
you know what? go ahead and sue me, that will show me how right you are 😂
What would that prove that the SC ruling from that article hasn't already proven?
I've shown you proof that it can happen, along with a very detailed article going into the specifics of how it happens.
But you've went off on a tangent, I started with:
And now you're arguing I couldn't win?
So you agree with me?
Admittedly it's hard to review the exchange after the majority of your comments have been removed.
it could help you understand that us supreme court doesn't rule behind us borders. whether it actually would, i have no idea.
i understand you are trying unconventional attack vectors, but 2 out of 5 is not a majority, swetie. i see you are as good in math as you are in law. i am done with this discussion, bye.
But...
I've linked you an article multiple times, even quoting the relevant sections on forum determination...
It would all happen in the US courts, again, like the link I provided explained in depth. It doesn't matter where you are, because your commenting on a community hosted in America.
Like you're right that US SC doesn't effect me suing you in your country's legal system, but literally no one is saying that. And I could have sworn we already got on the same page that this would happen in US courts?
And that's fine, all you have to do is stop replying.
Yep I always sprinkled in like one 3 and one 4 just to make it look slightly more realistic. Still got forwarded to jobs so
It's a shit show.
Everytime we have higher openings my best people barely squeak thru HR then I got to write a freaking dissertation to explain why I don't just want the person who lied the most on self eval and had a 20 page shotgun resume.
The limiting resumes to two pages is gonna help, but the promotion system for civies makes the military look like they have their shit together.
I always hated having to write a massive resume, but if you didn't HR would pass you up. Always felt bad for these hiring managers
They're a two page limit now, so you basically have to do a bespoke resume for every posting
Which is a hassle, but one of the few changes that's actually positive
Honestly a perfect job for AI. Input job description, input your full highly detailed resume, "tailor my resume to highlight knowledge skills and experience that align with the job posting" then do your final polish.