Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
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Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people
Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
Related Communities
!feminism@beehaw.org
!askmen@lemmy.world
!mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world
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I think there may be a misunderstanding, or multiple interpretations, of what 'toxic masculinity' refers to.
In the contexts where I've heard it, the term wasn't being used to say that masculinity is toxic /that it should look a certain way / that this is something that's up to men to change. Rather, it refers to the subset of toxic behaviour that is associated with 'masculinity', as a way of organizing discussion. The term isn't meant to ignore or minimize other types of toxic behaviour, it's there when referring to any patterns or solutions that might be in common for that subset of toxicity.
For example, the term "men's mental health" organizes discussion around mental health challenges that men deal with. It doesn't mean that only men deal with mental health issues, nor does it mean that men's mental health issues are more important to deal with than those of other groups.
Isn't the first part exactly what 'toxic masculinity' discussions are about, that rigid and harmful gender expectations harm everyone, regardless of where it comes from (men or otherwise)?
As for the second part, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. We SHOULD hold everyone accountable for toxic actions.
Attention capture tactics push toxic masculinity a lot more than, toxicity is my point.
But good back and forth.