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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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I'll gladly endorse most of what the author is saying.
This isn't really a debate club, and I'm not really trying to change your mind. I will just end on a note that:
Neither the author nor me really suggest that it is impossible for machines to think (indeed humans are biological machines), only that it is likely—nothing so stark as inherently—that Turing Machines cannot. "Computable" in the essay means something specific.
Simulation != Simulacrum.
And because I can't resist, I'll just clarify that when I said:
It means that the test does (or can possibly) exist that, it's just not achievable by humans. [Although I will also note that for methods that don't rely on measuring the physical world (pseudo random-number generators) the tests designed by humans a more than adequate to discriminate the generated list from the real thing.]
Sure, doesn't have to be a debate of course. My read was a pretty explicit belief that there is likely something to biology that is fundamentally unreachable to a computing machine, which I was skeptical of.