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https://deadline.com/2025/11/star-trek-movie-jonathan-goldstein-john-francis-daley-1236616716/

Plot details are being kept under wraps for now, but sources say Goldstein and Daley’s film is a completely new take on the Star Trek universe and not connected to any previous or current television series, movie or prior movie development projects.

I'm really worried about Ellison is going to do with a greenfield Trek movie

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem with both is that they disregarded established lore/canon/history. It isn’t that they refreshed ships to use more modern cgi /‘d practical effects.

It’s that they ignored what made trek great to tell their own stories. Abram’s turned Kirk into a sniveling, narcissistic brat, literally the worst qualities from TOS and Pike his idiotic enabler.

As much as I rag on TOS Kirk for chasing skirts, he’s not that bad of a person, he has narcissistic tendencies it also moments of selflessness. He’s complicated. Also basically Horatio Hornblower. Abram’s Kirk had no redeeming qualities except that SF admiralty was even dumber than him.

As for Disco, it’s like someone shoehorned a different story into being trek. It’s clear that the show’s authors and producers only slapped Trek branding on the story for marketing.

Writing inside an extremely popular, extremely well-developed universe like trek is hard. You have to be extremely careful, and balance story telling with staying inside the broader universe.

This isn’t to say there can never be changes- and we’ve seen changes as out-of-universe technology and budget changes (tos Klingons tmp Klingons…. They’re constantly getting new looks.) but they have a fairly consistent culture that got more fleshed out in TNG (also destruction of praxis did have some effect, leading to ruling houses being more prominent.)

The Disco Klingons? Are nothing like Klingons. They may as well have been an entirely different species. The writers didn’t care until fan backlash, and even then we mostly got bullshit excuses.

(Though Abram’s needed to lay off the lenses flares. Just saying.)

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

yes

edit: also don't forget that the whole plot and story of Disco was ripped off from an indie game "tardigrades"

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2018/09/11/understanding-the-star-trek-discovery-plagiarism-allegations/

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Was it a good game, though?

I hadn’t heard that before.

DS9 season one may have been inspired by an early show bible for Bab5, though. JMS might have left said bible with the producers when trying to get funding.

You’ll also note the rough first season for DS9, and that they didn’t really screw with things too much. After they got off that and went their own way, it got much better. Dark, sure. But better.

It might be nice to have a live action, but lower decks style, station-based show on the edge of some frontier, ships coming in to turn in maps and stuff.

“Cardassians visited today, they’re assholes.”

“Why is every new species a different flavor of asshole? Can’t we, like, meet some avian space hippies or something interesting?”

“You mean the Arrakoa? Yeah. They’re assholes too.”