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[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sickens me that people are upvoting this and think this way. Oh won't someone think of the poor fascists. They need to provide for their families, so its okay for them to terrorize and kill indiscriminately.

These are not golden-hearted dimwits who just need to see the light. This is not a Disney movie with a villain redemption plot. These are fascists, do you understand what that means? They take pleasure in what they do because they think they are purging mutants and heathens for the greater good. The paychecks are a bonus. They are not using them to provide for their beaten children and raped spouses, they are using them to buy bigger guns to slaughter more "others"

You want to stay on the fence about fascism, go ahead. I can't stop you, I'm just text on the internet. But you are doing tangible harm to real people in this world by trying to white wash what is happening and giving a pass to the people making it happen.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Well these are the people upvoting this shit, maybe we should ask them why?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i upvoted as part of an overall discussion about what to do. don't be looking left and right look up and down. i hate every one of these bootlicking nazis. but i also won't waste my energy on them when i know how you get people to turn class traitor is by keeping them desperately poor and uninformed of history.

i also fundamentally think that when we're on the other side of this they all need to be punished for their crimes against humanity in the name of $50k

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Exactly 👍

[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

We already know why. They're cowards and collaborators who think they'll get to sleep at the foot of the bed if they obey and throw the rest of us to the wolves. They think they're noble and pious by sticking to the middle of the road, better than all of us. Who needs messy ethics and functional moral compasses when you can just claim you're above all the "petty squabbling".

Fascists only protect their own. Centrists are useful idiots and tools for the extreme right and always have been. They think they're safe by staying "neutral". What they refuse to understand is that they are on the purge lists like everyone else, they just aren't as high up in priority as the rest of us.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wait what are we upvoting? I didn’t get the memo

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev -2 points 4 days ago

Don't worry, it's not too late to join in! Just look for the comments that have a lot of upvotes already, and add yours to the pile.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 1 points 4 days ago

Just upvoted, because I believe in Arendt banality of evil. These are horrible movie collabs. Most are just doing their job. I think we should protest against them, sure, but they themselves are just cogs in the machine.

Also: this sort of divisive approach to a political discussion is corrosive to any good faith argument. That’s why I will not engage any further with this thread

[+] bitcrafter@programming.dev -6 points 4 days ago

I personally get freaked out when everyone gets super pumped up about treating a group as being subhuman and worthy of death, because that's basically the same argument people used against the immigrants and look where that went as soon as they got power.

Also, I have no idea what a typical ICE employee is like; it is possible that most or at least a significant fraction have never engaged in any fascist acts and have no desire to. Heck, for all I know, that ICE employee you took joy in watching die was actually working hard within the organization to try and make things better precisely because the violence was bothering them as much as it bothers you.

So, I totally oppose the fascist things that ICE does, and don't really even have a problem with people calling it a fascist organization since that is how it is being run from the top down, and I would even go so far as to say that no moral person can be associated with them at this point (although I have sympathy for the people who were working there before things took a sharp turn for the worse). But having said that, I prefer to follow the words of the Tao Te Ching, Chapter 31:

Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them.
Therefore followers of the Tao never used them.
The wise man prefers the left.
The man of war prefers the right.

Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man’s tools.
He uses them only when he has no choice.
Peace and quiet are dear to his heart.
And victory no cause for rejoicing.
If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing;
If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.

On happy occasions precedence is given to the left,
On sad occasions to the right.
In the army the general stands on the left,
The commander-in-chief on the right.
This means that war is conducted like a funeral.
When many people are being killed,
They should be mourned in heartfelt sorrow.
That is why a victory must be observed like a funeral.

So I (optimistically) look forward to the day when everyone doing these terrible things is locked away for our safety, or killed if absolutely necessary, but I do not rejoice in the prospect, except insofar as it means the end of the terrible suffering that they are inflicting on others.