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[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean they can both be true. The collapse of American education and media laid the groundwork for Trump. For him to even come anywhere close to power reveals a stark and horrifying collapse of everything that's supposed to keep us understanding reality and keep the whole train on the rails. But, also, Russia's formidable power at narrative-shaping in Western countries is a factor is the proximate cause of how bad it is. We haven't even really got our heads around the nature of how bad it really is, having the whole top levels of government hollowed out and destroyed like they currently are being. We'll find out the next time there is an actual crisis.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you really think Russia has done more to "shape the narrative" than Rupert Murdoch has? I'm sure they've got battalions of soldiers on Facebook or Tweeting tweets or whatever, but that's got to amount to chump change when compared against 24 hour Fox News.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do think Fox News has more power, but Russia's goal is unapologetically simply to do as much damage as possible. Fox is trying to hand America over to their friends and destroy their opposition and if they do some damage, oh well, but they're trying to still have a working country to hand over to the friends. Russia is simply trying to steer the bus off the cliff.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Intentions have little barring on the effects of actions. The Murdoch media empire may not intend to destabilize english speaking nations, but that's very much what it's doing.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah, pretty much.

"The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.” ―Milton Sanford Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45