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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm very not sure about how to evaluate the end of the shutdown.

On the one side, they didn't pull through with playing hardball, on the other hand, I'm not sure whether people would have gotten better results if the shutdown would have gone on for longer.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Republicans would have HAD to cave or nuke the filibuster.

Either way, would have been a Democrat victory, because Republicans would have to 100% own all of the shit coming down the line. There would be zero excuses.

Now Democrats didn't like that, because rich assholes like having power even if it's symbolic, so not even being able to filibuster would have made them irrelevant and their egos couldn't handle that.

Little do they realize, that by caving the filibuster has pretty much been removed anyway, they've told Trump they will cave, so he has ZERO reason to listen to anything coming from the Democratic leadership.

This cave has been absolute worse case scenario and it almost wants me to be conspiratorial on the reason. Either someone got paid off or blackmailed with pictures, because this just makes no sense.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Those voting yes, absolutely got paid off or blackmailed. Without a fucking doubt.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Republicans are stubborn as a dead proboscidean and they control the propaganda machine. And they are viciously cruel. They would and could let it go for however long it takes.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This isn't how negotiation and power works, the ball was in Republicans court, period, end of analysis.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

It always was. Republicans could've opened the government at any time. They chose to be cruel and scapegoat the Dems.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Pretty sure they opened up the gov for travel during the genocide celebration holiday in 2 weeks. Flights are already screwed up. Flying is enough of a hell. Etc.

(Fuck planes btw.)