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'Absolutely Pathetic': Senate Democrats Denounced for Caving to GOP in Shutdown Fight | Common Dreams
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People on here act like shutting the government down is some magic path to get anything you want.
If you look at all the previous government shutdowns the only thing that is ever really gained is one party is blamed and the other party is not. It is a political spectacle, and that’s all anybody should expect from it.
Did they get zilch? The only way to tell is by looking at polling numbers. If the democrats are seen as more popular and republican seen as less popular, then that’s literally the best case scenario from a government shutdown.
yes, so why quit? this is snatching an L from a win-win situation: by holding out they were either gonna force republicans to cave and get what they want, which would allow them to brag about bringing the party in power to their knees for the good of the people, making the republicans look weak af, or they would not cave but prolong this shutdown which makes republicans less popular every minute and allow dems to run on it every election going forward.
this was the worst possible outcome.
My guess is they have internal polling that showed people were going to start turning against them.
Worst possible outcome is people blamed democrats and not republicans. As government shutdowns go, this is probably literally the best possible outcome for democrats.
oh i forgot they're just passive observers to what people think about who to blame. it's not like any of them have access to the media or a microphone or anything. if internal poll showed that; that only proves this is a massive messaging disaster from the democrats.
You do realize that politicians use internal polling to understand how effective their strategies are, right? It’s not the only thing they use, but it’s a big part of it.
this doesn't address my point at all
I honestly want sure what your point was. Democrats knew they were never going to pass legislation using the government shutdown. It’s not a thing that ever happens.
My suggestion about internal polling is that they were using that to determine the ideal time to end the shutdown. They went out on top rather than giving Republicans an opportunity to gain ground. Or worse, allow republicans to justify ending the filibuster.
on top of what? they got nothing out of this.
On top of the polling. That’s all they are ever going to accomplish.
and what's polling gonna do for them now?
Political strategy my dude. Is that a real question? You act like this is the end of the Democratic Party.
that's not an answer. you can't say what you they're getting out of this because the answer is fuck-all. oh yeah, "political strategy" from the party that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory all the fucking time, that's reassuring...
You asked about polling. It is useful for political strategy.
If you’re now talking about the shutdown, I’ve said it elsewhere, people on here had WAY too high of expectations for what is possible from a shutdown.
oh my god. i didn't ask about polling. i said they came out on top of of what, and you said polling. and i said what the fuck is that going to do, not "what is polling can you explain"