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That’s true but we have limits. Torture and War Criminal are over the line. Showing dignity and respect for Hitler should not be a tweet.
She would have saved us from chaos and violence though.
Those things are two different conversations.
I’d say it’s more about the people still around than the man himself. Each death can be a tragedy to someone, in this case it would be his immediate family, his friends, and the people in his community that like the Cheney the person, not necessarily the politician. Harris wanting to help with the pain those people are experiencing is a kind gesture to those people. Salt in the wound isn’t going to have any effect on Cheney, but it will on those still here that are experiencing pain from his passing.
Personally, I don’t want to be like those on the Right. I would rather live a life where each person’s life has value innately. Those who’s lives were negatively impacted and abruptly ended by the man’s policies have not experienced justice either. I can only hope we learn to be more caring than those who came before us to end the cycle of greed and violence.
You're right, each person's life has innate value. He caused the end of a million innocent lives. The value of his life is in the negatives.
You can offer condolences to the family without praising a pile of shit
Words of affirmation about the positive aspects about the man are not praises of his unjust actions. Building bridges sometimes involves seeing the good in the bad. People in Red, Purple, and Blue states that are diehard Republicans are people we will and do encounter every day.
Finding areas to build common ground helps to foster a stronger community. The common ground in this case being the loss of human life is awful, even for people that are strangers to me or may see me as an enemy. I believe that showing love in life and in death matters if we want to break down the barriers of separation.
It's absolutely a way of handwavling the evil he did. It makes light of the abscess he was on society.
I'm not talking about your average voter, many of whom are victims of disinformation. I'm talking about a man who knowingly orchestrated a massive death toll through fraud and deceit, in exchange for money and the chance to abuse power.
Some people should not have theit free positive traits mentioned, as they were inconsequential compared to their atrocities.
I'll also point out maga don't like Cheney, they think he's a rino. Democrats don't like Cheney because of the war crimes and corruption. No one actually likes Cheney, there's nothing to be gained by finding someone move to say about him. Just say nothing.
I disagree about the hand waving part.
I’m not saying he’s a good man by any stretch of the word, I’m that there’s not an issue with one person showing dignity to another in death.
I agree to an extent, that extent being the actual death of the person and speaking about aspects of their life where there was commonality at the time of their death.
It’s not about gaining something. It’s about showing humanity to the people that knew him in his personal life. Showing you care about people dying isn’t a bad thing.
The problem with this is that none of it is rooted in reality. Pretty much everything you've said is just jibber jabber about your discomfort with being mean.
The right is not motivated by this gentle soothing of their pain. They don't even remotely care about it. They gleefully jeer at us every time someone tries to take a hammer to a democrat's head, every time black democrats in congress are murdered, every time Mexicans bound in chains are loaded single-file onto planes; they do not believe in this kindness you are affording them. It does not affect them.
When they complain about the public reaction to things like Charlie Kirk, they say those things because it bothers us, not because they care.
What this means is that the right gets to view themselves as strong, self-actualized, Roman warriors for ~~racism~~ freedom, and we are always putting the ball gag in our own mouths.
It is a culture of disempowerment. I'm not saying Harris should be jeering necessarily, but she should not be doing whatever the hell this is. It serves no one.
This is just making a mountain out of a mole hill, imo. We don’t need to be like the Right about everything. I understand your sentiment but we can’t take a minute to say it’s a person that died?
I’m not saying we can’t be justifiably upset about bigotry and hate that comes from the other side. In fact we should be. But there are some things we can have standard about still and where we don’t need to mirror the worst offenders on the Right.
I don’t see it as having some kind of self-gag for showing empathy about death and the ways people lend a hand to others when they personally experience grief. There’s a billion justifiable things to say about who Cheney was and the magnitude of his actions as well as the harm caused, but that doesn’t mean need to jump on people wanting to show an ounce of kindness to his family and friends.
I’d say Harris isn’t even relevant to the main conversation to a degree. I doubt she wins the next primary if she enters it anyways. So her extending an olive branch couldn’t hurt imo.
Then don't celebrate war criminals, genocide, etc.
People on the right hate regular people for shitty reasons. That's not what's happening here.
Where is the celebration?
I said I don’t want to be like those on those the Right for their callousness.
I’m not saying you can’t hate the guy, I just don’t think it’s worth nitpicking a person, who is a politician, showing kindness after someone has died.
Yeah I’m sure all the people whos families died as a direct result of Cheney are glad American politicians are being so nice to him after he died to save his families feelings.
It cost her absolutely nothing to just stay silent, friend.