Socialism
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic and constructive discussion from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
A certain knowledge of socialism is expected, if you are new to/interested in socialism, please visit c/Socialism101 before participating here. Socialism101 will gladly help you by answering questions, providing resources etc.
Memes go in c/Lefty Memes
Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, upvoting good contributions and downvoting those of low-quality!
Rules
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith discussion is enforced here.
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such,
as well as condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavour.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Xenial Xerus" when answering question 2)
6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
7. Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Rape or assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
(This is not a definitive list, the spirit of the other rules still counts! Eventual duplicates with other rules are for emphasis.)
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You're so fucking sad.
Everyone can see what an idiot you're making of yourself, but you're still letting your childish ego rule you? :D what are you, 8?
Youre just plain wrong but you're so mad your will never be able to admit to it. I've seen this exact behaviour from thousands of kids along the decades.
You'll stop even addressing the things you've said, because you realise what a moron you've been.
The one thing you can't do is stop posting. It's honestly pretty ludicrous.
No matter what schizophrenic shit you post you still pretend like you aren't completely woo-woo?
"Water is hightly profitable, although you can buy it for 25c even though that doesn't even cover the deposit"
"You don't need to pay a deposit because you get it back. So the price of a drink which includes the deposit doesn't actually include the deposit. It doesn't! A drink including the price of the deposit in the price doesn't have the deposit in there price!"
Seriously, I want to get you professsional help. Where do you live?
You can't so basic match can't you? What is the amount of money you need to give to get these products for yourself from the store? (that's something known as "the price". I know your English sucks. So if you give me your address, i van mail you a dictionary and call you help for your mental distress.
Talking about PRICE why did you laugh at the idea of a water bottle costing 1e? Either you can't read and youre schizophrenic... OR You were wrong. But you'll never be man enough to admit to that lol.
I think they might have brain damage, if they think they are in the right.
I'm literally a store clerk, as as I ring up items, CRV (the bottle return money) is included in the sale of every glass and plastic bottle we sell. It's not saving money, it's included as the cost to help make recycling easier.
But truth be told it's probably just an Internet tantrum where he's lying instead of actually having massive brain damage. But can't rule it out tho
What I think Tja means is that, because you can get the deposit refunded later, you should effectively deduct it from the retail price when talking about the overall cost of the product. But that position assumes everyone actually goes to a bottle deposit to collect the refund, which in reality barely anyone does. So it's still a specious point to be arguing about.