MeanwhileOnGrad

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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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How, and how instant?
We don't have oil nor that much coal or sun. We don't have the shipyards. We don't have the microchip technology, we don't have the phone operating systems or market places. We don't have the entertainment IP. We are not secured by two oceans or have a billion people speaking one language.
Norway says hello. Also, as we transition away from fossil fuels, that's likely to become less relevant.
As far as I know, Italy and France have significant shipbuilding capacity. Of course, biggest producer of military ships atm is not the US, China or an EU country, but South Korea.
Neither does the US or China. That's all Taiwan.
Unfortunately, very true. Hopefully the EU digital sovereignty stuff takes off and starts making a difference.
There's some great movies, TV series and games that are made in the EU. I don't know if that's necessary to project power though.
But USA and China are close.
And Taiwan is loyal to the US to be protected from China. Can the EU offer protection, too?
Fair point. The EU at the moment is too fragmented to present a cohesive foreign policy, let alone credibly deter China.
Even without politics, could we build the production capacities and logistics to win a war against China next to China?
If we go nuclear, could we launch enough rockets to fill the sky with enough anti-ICBM satellites to survive?
Norway says that it is not part of the EU, that the numbers must be off by 1000 and that the EU needs 15 million barrels while they produce 2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption