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[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (18 children)

So here's a comment which will probably be downvoted to hell, but I can deal with that.

I'm almost 50 years old. Israel and Palestine (plus other surrounding countries) have never been at peace as long as I can think.

There's always some asshole who thinks fighting a war is the better option. If an Israeli prime minister wants to make peace, they fucking shoot him. If a Palestinian leader becomes too moderate, Hamas will do their own thing.

In the meantime, there are at least some people on both sides who wish for nothing more than peace. Yes, we can debate on which side has more of them and it's damn certain there aren't enough of them by far.

But can we maybe just stop taking a side? This conflict is not about Israel or Palestine having to be deradicalized, OP, it's about the all the warmongers and religious fundamentalists and radicals on both sides who need to be deradicalized.

There will never be an end to this as long as I live if we continue to blame either Israel or the Palestinians. Both is wrong, both of them haven't done nearly enough to stop this insanity.

(But yeah, I totally agree, the current right wing Israeli government is a hopeless case if you want peace.)

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

Hamas is not Palestine and Palestine is not Hamas.

The victims of genocide, apartheid, occupation do not have the same level of culpability as the perpetrators. And it's not the current right wing government that's to blame, sorry. It is the whole edifice that the Israelis have built of occupation, apartheid, and now genocide.

You want a moderate palestinian leader? He exists. His name is Marwan Barghouti. And it's not Hamas that has "done their own thing". He's in an Israeli jail, with that worm Ben Gvir torturing him.

And if 50 years seems like a long time to you, and that they should just grow up and accept the fait accompli of the occupation and the defeat, well sorry but that says more about you. I know nothing about you but I wouldn't be surprised if you come from a cultural background that doesn't have a history of resistance and struggle for freedom. My Greek ancestors were occupied for 400 years. The Irish for 800. Warmongering? Wars for freedom are just wars. Peace is not the absence of war, it is the presence of justice. No justice? No peace. As simple as that.

So yea, I'm going to take a side.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hear hear, well said, as a 52 year old, (albeit I'm Lebanese and had my fair share of Israeli wars), it's been obvious from day 1 Israel has long been practicing blatant apartheid policies in the Gaza strip, and providing IOF support to terrorist settler pogroms in the west bank. The vile entity that is the Israeli government today needs to be torn down and rebuilt to allow for a viable Palestinian state.

I too am taking a side and fuck Israel and the IOF.

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