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The primaries we didn't have last year. The primaries that the party successfully argued in court that it doesn't have to run fairly. The primaries in which the party protects centrist incumbents like coathanger cuellar from all challenges, but won't do shit to protect progressive incumbents like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman, since their primary opponents were bought by AIPAC.
Stop gloating that the primaries are run for the benefit of your wing of the party.
Stop making excuses.
If Biden had died rather than just being old, noone would've questioned it
But he didn't. She wasn't the incumbent, no matter what her supporters say.
the fact that biden was running at all with everyone knowing he was unfit is disguising. he wasn’t faring any better the Harris. AND the democrats are currently dog pilling progressive candidates for lower positions right now! what are you guys talking about!
I'm sorry. Either you
a) start your own party and put in the work
b) put in the work and reform the democratic party. Mamdani is doing it. Bernie is doing it. AOC is doing it.
c) Go on Lemmy and complain endlessly about the status quo and dream about some distant utopia in the future.
I know what I see on Lemmy day in and out soooooo....
You're not. You get everything you want out of the democratic party without having to lift a finger. Especially the genocide support.
I see we're back at option (c). Keep at it, man. Some day things will change for you. Cheers.
Condescension after gloating isn't any better.
I don't have the means for a or b and like I said, you get everything you want from democrats without doing anything.
You must be so disappointed now that there's a ceasefire. Don't worry, it won't last. netanyahu's good faith exists in equal abundance to your own.
I don't know why you attribute things to your interlocutors that are not there. It's a cheap ploy and you do it in every. Single. Conversation. I've. Had. With. You.
It goes like this: TheFonz: "let's reform the Democratic party" Ensign_Crab: "so you like genocide, huh?".
Every. Fucking. Time.
Why?
You expect no criticism of a party that supports genocide.
You are not advocating for reform. You are advocating for silence from your left.
When? When did I advocate for silence? I even encouraged you to start your party. I think it's a good thing! You should do SOMETHING. ANYTHING
Knowing damned well that very few people have the means to do so. You were gloating from the position of someone who actually has a party that represents your interests.
If the party ever atones for the disgusting genocide support of 2024 and actually starts representing workers for the first time in decades, I'll stop talking about how they're genocide supporters who hate workers.
Don't like it? I will never care.
Hey this is such a strange conversation. I'm not sure where the information is getting lost.
If the democratic party represented my interests, why would I be advocating for its reform? I really am struggling to follow you thought process.
Reform doesn't usually involve telling people that their only options are to get out of the party or shut up.
I never said to get out of the party or shut up. I said the opposite.
Get active in the party and work to reform
Start a new party
Neither option is telling anyone to "shut up". I hope that's not what you took from it. However, option 3. Is not acceptable in my wiew: bitch endlessly about the status quo. Yea, it sucks. That's why we want to improve it. We're not giving up. If we can't reshape the democratic party through new blood then we should abandon it and start new. But I don't need to hear endlessly on Lemmy about the status quo. We're all very acutely aware
I don't have the resources for either option, as you already knew when you decided to gloat by suggesting them.
I don't care what you consider acceptable, as it's clear to me that the only thing you consider acceptable is a total lack of criticism of the democratic party.
How can I on one hand invite reform of the democratic party and at the same time renounce criticism? That doesn't make any sense. Why did you imply that to begin with? What statement of mine denounced criticism of the democratic party? I'm just saying let's move on. Let's build instead of shiting all day.
Also, what resources are you lacking exactly? I see you whining 24/7 on Lemmy. It's been a year since the election and I still see you writing essays about Harris and Gaza. So clearly you have time to write and be active online. Maybe channel some of that rage into something more constructive and start building? We know Harris sucked a big horse dick. Let's move on.
Well, money for starters. In case you didn't notice, AIPAC spends a lot of it making sure your party does what you want them to. Also health, but I don't like to bring up personal physical frailty because it's none of your damned business.
It wasn't just harris and you know it. It was brought before congress multiple times and every single time, a majority of democrats made it clear that they were in the genocide caucus.
Like I said, I'll drop my criticism of the party when they stop being useless. At this point, I'm glad it bothers you that I won't shut up like you want.
For like the fifth time: no one wants you to shut up. The fact that you keep saying this in every response tells me you are not discussing in good faith. After I've clearly laid out to you that that's the opposite of what I say. But yet, you keep repeating it. So I know you're just not good faith at this point.
Sorry you have health issues. You clearly have time to write essays all day on Lemmy. I would say go write an essay about something you want to rebuild, but after this interaction I'm certain you're arguing in bad faith and this is all a joke to you
You provided three options. Two of which were unreasonable and one of which was shut up.
Spare me your false pity. You hate me because I want accountability for the party's disgusting unconditional support for the genocide that is the only thing that has ever brought you any joy.
Rebuilding requires trust. I do not trust democrats. I am not netanyahu and they have proven untrustworthy to all other humans.
To add to this: Biden was a decrepit fuck who held the party back. Harris was a competent robot that vacillated on Gaza. They all sucked. But we also have new blood coming in. Let's rebuild
New blood like David Hogg.
I can find ten other candidates that are running to offset established Dems. The fact that I even need to mention this either tells me:
You are intentionally uninformed.
You're not really here to have a good faith discussion
Based on your previous responses where you tried gaslight by pretending I took particular positions which I didn't, I'm certain this is all just a joke and you're here just to troll. Enjoy your little party I'm done with you.
And we both know what advocacy for third parties gets here.
I'll never see you condemn the party for supporting genocide with any level of sincerity.
It's fun watching the goal posts move every time. First it's
then it's:
after that it becomes:
You're just full of shit, aren't ya?
I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen you condemn the party's support for genocide at all.