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Yes, I try and briefly allude to this in the "caution" and "tldr2" sections, but I think I could have been more clear. You are right that for many people it's not so much about avoiding side effects as it is about coming up with ways to use them carefully. Stateful monads and clojure's atoms/refs were in fact what I had in mind. And debating the pros/cons of these techniques is indeed a good conversation on its own! What I mostly wanted to get across is that fp is not about programming without side effects. All the good debate is about the extent to which we should try to avoid side effects, and what techniques we should use when doing so.
Yeah I think this is totally (heh) worth talking about, and a much better topic than pure functions. I only didn't mention it because I don't see it brought up too often.