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The British government’s refusal to testify that China is a national security threat in a major espionage trial has signalled to Beijing that “the UK can be bullied”, according to a former senior diplomat who was due to be a prosecution witness in the now-collapsed case.

The warning comes after Stephen Parkinson, the director of public prosecutions (DPP), revealed that his team had repeatedly tried and failed to obtain witness statements from the government that said China was a threat to UK national security.

Prosecutors had to abandon the trial of two British men charged with spying on parliamentarians for China, just weeks before it was due to start, because of the government’s refusal to provide the evidence, Parkinson said in a letter to MPs on Tuesday.

Charles Parton, a former UK diplomat who spent more than two decades working on China, Hong Kong and Taiwan, had been due to appear as a prosecution witness in the trial.

“In broad fashion, this [collapse] says to the Chinese, ‘yes, we can bully the British, they will crumble if we play hard ball in whatever the negotiation is’ — that’s the worrying thing to me”, he told the Financial Times.

The failed prosecution was, he added, “a missed opportunity to demonstrate clearly China’s espionage efforts, and to say to anyone thinking of betraying our national interest, that you will be caught and punished”.

Parton, now an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, said: “There is absolutely no doubt China is a threat, and it’s a common sense point. A threat equals hostility, intent and capability. Well, each of those is very easy to prove.”

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[–] Severus_Snape@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The United Kingdom is an utter joke.

Don't get me wrong. I actually like this country. This is the nation that produced George Orwell, Harry Potter, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, JRR Tolkien...

But they are completely panicked about Chinese interference.

Meanwhile, several of their newspapers are owned by Rupert Murdoch.

John Major, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, has publically said that Rupert Murdoch pressured him to change Britain's foreign policy :

https://www.channel4.com/news/major-denies-sun-editor-abused-him-after-black-wednesday

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-uk-prime-minister-john-major-says-rupert-murdoch-tried-to-change-government-policy/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-major-rupert-murdoch-european-policy-336286/

A foreigner tells the Prime Minister to change Foreign Policy or he will try to remove him from office. How is that not electoral interference ?

Gordon Brown, another Prime Minister, had his family medical files stolen by thugs working for Rupert Murdoch:

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/07/murdoch-paper-left-pm-in-tears-058767

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/26/i-have-now-spoken-to-police-officers-who-say-they-were-misled-by-murdochs-empire-i-wont-let-this-rest

A UK Prime Minister that said he was bullied by a foreigner.

A UK Prime Minister that said he was blackmailed by a foreigner.

In fact, it doesn't stop here. Rupert Murdoch played a key role in Brexit. Remember this headline, a few days before the referendum?

The Queen actually never said this. Murdoch told his editor to publish it.

Nigel Farage publically said: "Brexit wouldn't have happen without Murdoch"

This is pure foreign interference.

Let's imagine if Rupert Murdoch was Chinese or Arab. Imagine he was named Li Wu or Mohamed Islam. He buys newspapers and spreads disinformation. He threatens Prime Ministers. Brits would be screaming about the need to stop him.

Do you see protests? Headlines? Worried MPs? They don't care.

Why ? Because Murdoch is a white anglo. In the british subconscious, white anglos are "family".

I'm a foreigner, but I know Britain well. One of the benefit is that I see things Britons can not see.

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know which media you have been consuming in the recent 20 or so years, but it is simply not true that "they don't care" about Farage's politics and Murdoch and all the others. There are many critics, and it is right to keep this up.

The point is that this doesn't make China's interference and transnational repression better. I don't understand why you (and many others here) are getting frequently upset when they read critical reports on China. It must be said that - no matter what other issues there may be- China poses a massive threat to other countries. And I definitely don't mean 'only' Western countries. This spy case is a sad example for Beijing's bullying.

[–] Severus_Snape@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is a big difference between criticizing and doing something about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/09/rupert-murdoch-keir-starmer-labour-party-power-no-10

Idon't like China or Russia. Their foreign influence attempts are disturbing.

But Rupert Murdoch has done an extraordinary amount of damage and somehow, it's consider perfectly normal. US Billionaires are allowed to wire money to UK Think Tanks and it's somehow considered perfectly normal.

I'm pointing out the irony.

The anglosphere businessmen that UK Elites consider "family" are not inherently better than Russians or Chinese.

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