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[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nice whataboutism there. But as you seem to be under the illusion that these countries are not capitalist (and presumably therefore communist, considering the countries you chose and the usual dogma that comes with them) let's have a look.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

First, let's define communism. Luckily the world wide web has done that already for us.

Communism (from Latin communis 'common, universal')[1][2] is a political and economic ideology whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society entails the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state.[7][8][9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

The legacy of the USSR remains a controversial topic. The socio-economic nature of communist states such as the USSR, especially under Stalin, has also been much debated, varyingly being labelled a form of bureaucratic collectivism, state capitalism, state socialism, or a totally unique mode of production.[260]

some leftists regard the USSR as an example of state capitalism

Maoists also have a mixed opinion on the USSR, viewing it negatively during the Sino-Soviet Split and denouncing it as revisionist and reverted to capitalism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union#Legacy

So the USSR was not communist, but rather somewhere between capitalist and its own thing.

Modern-day China is often described as an example of state capitalism or party-state capitalism.[290][291]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Economy

Not communist by any stretch of the imagination.

North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship with a comprehensive cult of personality around the Kim family.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

Not communist.

Capitalism is a shit system for vast swathes of the population and results in poverty, exploitation, and death.

Is communism the answer? I don't know, it's never truly managed to take off anywhere without either being corrupted from within or attacked from without. But capitalism most certainly needs to go in the bin.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The Soviet Union was capitalist. Right-o.

By the way, congratulations on finally getting Wi-Fi on your planet.

The “Lucy” argument isn’t as compelling as some tankies seem to think. We’ve had plenty of communist regimes. They’re all abominable. No good holding the football out and saying “but this time it’s real communism”. Communism is rancid because people are rancid.