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IMO the best chance was in 2016 and when it failed the fallout was catastrophic. We can encourage people vote for our preferred candidate in the primary without insulting the opponent and creating tribalistic divides in the progressive party.
Nah, 2008 we had no chance. But when Obama won he ignored the DNC leaving neoliberals in charge.
So they focused on changing the "weak points" that allowed Obama to pull an upset. In 2016 Hillary was literally funding the DNC, and her campaign had final say on every action the DNC took and everything they said.
That wasn't even an agreement most members of the DNC were aware of, we only know because Donna Brazile blew the whistle as interim chair.
2016 I thought Bernie had a shot, but he never did. They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win. That's how bad shit really was.
If anything I undersold how long it's been. Even back with Jimmy Carter the DNC faced a revolt because he was a hard right pivot compared to FDR and not really what Dem voters want.
The Overton window has just moved so far right, we remember him as the last good one and not the first moderate one. So I wouldn't object to the argument that this is the best chance in 50 years.
It's truly historic, but we had to go thru some shit to get here. And someone like Newsom would make it all worth nothing.
First you just make shit up.
Then you have the gall to say this. It literally wasn't.
I've voted for Bernie every chance I've had. I've volunteered for Bernie. But this demonization of establishment Dems only serves the Nazis.
See also: people who say the Dems have done everything they can to stop the soon to be NYC mayor. Other than self serving Cuomo, who isn't even a dem anymore, what have they done?
It's literally just vote blue, Mamdani or not.
How in the hell are you going to get Dems to change if you "just vote blue". That's how we ended up with Hillary and Hillary 2.0 (Kamala). And no, Givesomefucks is not "just making shit up", but you're the one who seems to not know what the fuck they're talking about. Bernie should have run as an Independent, I believe he would have kicked both their asses in 2016. Instead he rolled over like a good little lapdog and tried to shepherd people back to the Dems. How'd that work out?