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[–] halvar@lemy.lol 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

i have defended phone calls as the ultimate way to get something done and i will continue to do so

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Give me the paper trail that comes with an email conversation over a phone call any day.

Or most days at least. Some things are just easier to discuss by voice. But not many.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 3 points 5 months ago

You should see the documentation we get from the orderer of our current project, we basically have to call two meetings a day just to decipher it

Yes. Crimes. But critically; not over the computer.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Im not coherent over voice, cant talk whioe looking at my calendar but theres an expectation of continuous exchange, no time to think about words, interrupting everything else im doing so im gonna resent you substantially. Plus a lot of people use it for deniable gaslighting bullshit where they can just imagine a conversation that happened and act on that-and i will not talk to those people in a volatile mefium without recording and transcription, which they never agree to, and it seems offensive to bring up.

Better to just stick to text unless you need privacy-which in cheap buildings with thin walls and a cartiers that record and analyze everything; a phone call hasnt been for about a century. My biggest phone phrase is 'let me look into that and get back to you'.

I find if someone cant communicate over text, they just can't communicate.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes you need back and forth which over email can take days. You can't talk while looking at your calendar? Guess what, you say "give me 30 seconds to open my calendar". Or 60. However much you need. People gaslight or bullshit? You follow up the call with an email "as we discussed on the phone, x y and z, and we agreed not to do a b nor c". If someone can't communicate over phone, they just can't communicate.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Cool. I can text that too. I can do it without saying it to the 17 adjacent apartments or nearby cubicles.

"as we discussed on the phone..."

To which they say

"What the fuck?"

Or

"new phone who dis?"

It's not helpful

pithy bitchy 'no u' because you're insecure as fuck

Wow that explains a lot about why youre like this. Call me if you want to actually communicate, i guess.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Then you don't do what discussed or escalate to a manager. Not that this has ever happened to me in my life, people are not cartoon villains.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Call me if you want to actually communicate, i guess.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't have a reason to want to communicate with you in particular, have a record of our interaction or any specific outcome.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're not actually communicating right now though, this is just text. 'I' may as well not exist, you're just typing into the void.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah i mean im just talking at someone who can't communicate over text. So its more performative. Kind of a writing prompt kinda deal.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Being able to communicate one form doesn't impede others. Reading comprehension should help.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, i couldnt understand you. Call me if you want to talk.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh. So anything you type is fundamentally unserious and you mean none of it? Cool.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not what I said. You are bad at this, huh?