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Obama was a great president.
Nope. He was pretty much a failure. He also sold out on day one, and collected millions in "speaking fees" from Wall Street firms within days of leaving office. If Obama had been a great president, Trump wouldn't have been the next president.
You underestimate the effectiveness of two things
Racism
Russian Psyops
But Hillary still won the popular vote.
Don't forget an anti-Clinton smear campaign going back over twenty years. She was, despite being objectively qualified, a terrible choice for a candidate. Republicans had decades of opposition research on her and zero compunction about making even more shit up for political theater (see the attacks over a personal email server even though it turned out their own opsec was 100x more lax, several hearings over Benghazi despite previous ones failed to find anything, or hell, even Bill's impeachment that started as them going over the Clinton's finances hoping to find a hint of corruption, then latching onto the affair even though Newt Gingrich, the one pushing these dirty tricks, was in the middle of an affair himself while his wife was dying from cancer).
It was yet another time Democrats ignored political reality to push someone who was at the top of their internal party hierarchy, and Republicans were more than happy to take advantage of their naïveté.
We elected Obama, then suddenly became to racist to vote for other people in his party, most of whom weren't even black? That's some serious cope. At least if you dragged out sexism it would have been potentially relevant.
The idea is to win elections. I'll care who wins the popular vote when that means winning the presidency.
Fun fact, more than one thing can influence an election at a time. Perhaps you even noticed multiple things in my list?
No shit. That's the churn of the playing field where politicians compete. If they can't overcome that shit to defeat a fucking reality show clown, then they are in the wrong line of work.
And anyways, this thread was about my response to you calling Obama a great president. The reasons I gave why he wasn't had nothing to do with reelection. Maybe you're pulling from a different thread because you have no answer to what I said?
But sure, let's look at what happened to the Democratic project during and after his presidency. Obama was elected with a big majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate. (With the caviot that Democratic cronyism resulted in the Democrats being plagued by health issues and deaths in office). Obama lost the House, lost the Senate, and lost over a thousand state level Democratic seats in his 8 years. Did the churn cause all of that?
I know Obama has cute dimples and an easy but confident demeanor, and half the Democratic voters have a para social relationship with him that rivals what MAGA has (had?) with Trump. But that's not what makes a great president. History will remember him as mediocre at best, and I hope it doesn't forget his role in manipulating the 2020 primary and ultimately giving us Trump twice.